[jbdlfan]

Originally Posted by AutoBike

What state does your daughter live in? I can assure you that here in MI, teachers will tell you that the biggest benefit they get for being a teacher is June, July and August.

The most important part of Festurules quote is that they are the parent of a "Great Teacher."
Great teachers don't get the summer off nor would they ever anyways, they are busy perfecting their craft.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by rubicon

As I stated in my original post the market primarily determines job salaries in a community. Of course unions skew market development.

What I had learned in Human Resources is that every employee at every level believes they are under paid, Every employee survey comes back with that same perception. also compensation the biggest factor until you starting asking about benefit working conditions.

What people must remember is that they choose their means of making a living.

Ah...the wisdom of Sage. Another wonderful insight, Rubicon.

[rjm1cc]

Originally Posted by buggyone

I recently added to a thread that the starting salary for a Sumter County sheriff deputy was about $42,900 plus benefits. A couple of other posters thought this seemed low for a starting salary.

What do you think would be a fair starting salary for such a job in this part of Florida?

Marion County is $ 28500. The Sheriff would like to increase it but does not have the funds.

[logdog]

Starting salary in the military is currently just under $20,400 per year plus benefits. They all work a lot more than 40 hours per week, get no overtime, frequently get shot at and almost all experience long family separations. Dispite all that and more, they're all volunteers.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by AutoBike

My kids went to a "Blue Ribbon School" and even there some of the old-timers used mimeographed papers. The equipment hasn't even existed in the last 20 years or more. How much perfecting do you think those teachers were doing over the summer?

Hard to believe you ran for your local school board. Did you get any votes????

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by AutoBike

Teacher unions are powerful up north. And they don't give a damn about the students.

“When school children start paying union dues, that 's when I'll start representing the interests of school children.”

Albert Shanker, President of the Teachers Union (United Federation of Teachers) from 1964 to 1984 as well as President of the Teachers Union (American Federation of Teachers) from 1974 to 1997.

Obviously in need of term limits.

[mrfixit]

Originally Posted by logdog

Starting salary in the military is currently just under $20,400 per year plus benefits.
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The 20,400 plus is for non-coms (non-College Grads).

Three of my nephews joined the Military right after Graduating College.

#1. Just graduated College Dec 2012...
.................................joined as 2nd Lieutenant.............$ 44,500.

#2. Been in for 38 months ...
................................currently a 1st Lieutenant.............$ 52,200.

#3 Been in for 57 months...
....at 48 months was told he would be made
Captain if he re-upped............... now as Captain.............$ 58,800.

All pay $ straight from each Nephew.
All rates Base pay plus Allowances.

All are currently Stateside.
# 3 did Two tours in Iraq. 3+ miles from Combat zones as
2nd Lieutenant. Was Super for a Wrench Shop (motor pool).

BONUS....All will get College Loan $$$$$ paid by military.

[PammyJ]

Originally Posted by AutoBike

What state does your daughter live in? I can assure you that here in MI, teachers will tell you that the biggest benefit they get for being a teacher is June, July and August.

What teacher gets June, July, and August off? Teachers are already back getting ready for the kids and they are not getting paid yet. They are officially back next week where I live, they don't have the month of August off.

[logdog]

Originally Posted by mrfixit

The 20,400 plus is for non-coms (non-College Grads).

Three of my nephews joined the Military right after Graduating College.

#1. Just graduated College Dec 2012...
.................................joined as 2nd Lieutenant.............$ 44,500.

#2. Been in for 38 months ...
................................currently a 1st Lieutenant.............$ 52,200.

#3 Been in for 57 months...
....at 48 months was told he would be made
Captain if he re-upped............... now as Captain.............$ 58,800.

Minimum qualifications for a Sumter County Sheriff Deputy is a high school diploma or GED.

[Walt.]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

So far this year 57 Florida officers have died in the line of duty. 19 have perished by gunfire.

Actually that's nationwide. Only 2 from Florida, and one of those was an auto accident. Interesting fact though... of the 19 killed by gunfire SIX were killed in California.

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by Walt.

Actually that's nationwide. Only 2 from Florida, and one of those was an auto accident. Interesting fact though... of the 19 killed by gunfire SIX were killed in California.

Thanks for the correction. I need to start paying attention the links from which I quote.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by AutoBike

State law says that MI public schools can't start before the Tuesday after Labor Day. Teachers start a day earlier to prepare, then have the holiday off. The law requires 180 school days, but most districts don't even hit that mark.

Don't really care about state law in MI. If you are saying the school system in MI sucks, I would have no idea. Please don't base your opinion of teachers and the educational system in FL on what you feel is a failure of your state's system.

[PammyJ]

I cannot resist, maybe I am wrong... Teachers or retired teachers,
Who CAN GET READY FOR A SCHOOL YEAR IN ONE DAY? LOL, Usually preplanning WEEK isn't enough! Anyone who knows have any thoughts on this?

Looks like MI is trying to tighten Standards by adopting the Common Core, good move!

Also, if school starts after labor day, chances of the school year ending at least midway into June are pretty high, unless less than 180 days as the data told us on Auto 's post. However, likelihood that the data has changed for it is a few years old.

Education is a thankless profession. Please don't generalize all education and educators as not caring about what is best for kids! You will find there are many more quality teachers than bad ones. The bad ones are the only ones that people hear about, and all are put into that category, therefore people may make uniformed judgements!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by PammyJ

I cannot resist, maybe I am wrong... Teachers or retired teachers,
Who CAN GET READY FOR A SCHOOL YEAR IN ONE DAY? LOL, Usually preplanning WEEK isn't enough! Anyone who knows have any thoughts on this?

Looks like MI is trying to tighten Standards by adopting the Common Core, good move!

Also, if school starts after labor day, chances of the school year ending at least midway into June are pretty high, unless less than 180 days as the data told us on Auto 's post. However, likelihood that the data has changed for it is a few years old.

Education is a thankless profession. Please don't generalize all education and educators as not caring about what is best for kids! You will find there are many more quality teachers than bad ones. The bad ones are the only ones that people hear about, and all are put into that category, therefore people may make uniformed judgements!

In my personal experience for myself and raising two children and knowing because I lived nearby what happened with our two grandchildren, I have run across in all of that time, ONLY three disappointing teachers. NOT awful, just not really good.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by PammyJ

I cannot resist, maybe I am wrong... Teachers or retired teachers,
Who CAN GET READY FOR A SCHOOL YEAR IN ONE DAY? LOL, Usually preplanning WEEK isn't enough! Anyone who knows have any thoughts on this?

Looks like MI is trying to tighten Standards by adopting the Common Core, good move!

Also, if school starts after labor day, chances of the school year ending at least midway into June are pretty high, unless less than 180 days as the data told us on Auto 's post. However, likelihood that the data has changed for it is a few years old.

Education is a thankless profession. Please don't generalize all education and educators as not caring about what is best for kids! You will find there are many more quality teachers than bad ones. The bad ones are the only ones that people hear about, and all are put into that category, therefore people may make uniformed judgements!

For anyone's information, the reason school in MI cannot start until after Labor Day is because tourism is so big there, with a big lobby, and they pushed that law through during Jennifer Granholm's administration.

There was a lot of $ lost over people not vacationing over Labor Day Weekend.