[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by bobnbev

i know for a fact that i'm not the only one who has seen ufo's

didn't they just sort this all out in d.c.

[La lamy]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

I know for a fact that I'm not the only one who has seen UFO's

Oooh, please expand on that...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

It is an interesting thing. Maybe 99.9999% of the reports of alien sightings or interactions are bogus. Overactive imaginations.

But if even ONE is true, then that 99.9999% doesn't matter.

And when there finally is proof of even ONE then the world will change a little.

[Topgun 1776]

Since you're in deep thought, you might want to learn to spell. Your third word in your diatribe is misspelled. Have a great day!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Unless you can identify that there is a real one and which one it is, better take them all seriously. Imagine a scenario where you are the head of secret service protecting the president. There is a report of 1000 enemy snipers. Infact, there are 999 fake snipers with blank ammo and only 1 real sniper with real ammo. You have no choice but to find them all. After all, you have not idea that there is only one. There might be more. The one you miss could change the course of history.
Every sighting is possibly real until it is proven not to be.

You have that backwards, you are starting from a false conclusion. Just because you have a report of 1000 or enemy or snipers doesn't make any of it true. Instead of 1000 enemy snipers there could be five rooftop gardeners and whoever reported otherwise was simply wrong. The story isn't true until proven false, the story is a story until proven true.

Every sighting is possibly real - sure.
...until it is proven not to be - NO.

Every sighting is possibly real but probably not until it is proven to be true.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

I know for a fact that I'm not the only one who has seen UFO's

Be careful of what you believe you "know" and what you are calling a "fact."

U.F.O.

Unidentified - sure, you saw something but you don't recognize it - it is unidentified

Flying - Do you really know it was flying? Since you aren't sure what it was, can you really know it was flying and not just falling? You saw it moving but a man without a parachute will also move and yet he would not be flying.

Object - Can you be sure it was an object and not just a glint in your eye or a reflection off a lens or some atmospheric condition? Cloud to cloud lightning can look like an object but isn't. A laser light show can look like objects but isn't. Even spot lights from a car dealership can look like something moving across the sky but is really just a reflection. Since whatever you saw was unidentified, can you really say it was an actual object and not just a trick of light?

I suspect it is likely you saw something you didn't recognize but you don't know that it was flying or that it was actually an object. Others may report seeing the same thing but they don't have any proof that it was flying or it was an object either. It was certainly Unidentified but you cannot know for a fact that it was an Unidentified Flying Object.

[PersonOfInterest]

Should our beliefs always be based on factual evidence or should we allow that simply having faith that something is out there is enough reason to believe?

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Because it’s a lot more fun than spending one’s time deep thinking.

Yeah but stirring the pot often produces interest (and amusing) responses

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by Topgun 1776

Since you're in deep thought, you might want to learn to spell. Your third word in your diatribe is misspelled. Have a great day!

Oh, come on!! Really??

[donfey]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Early science had it that there were five planets (six, if you counted the moon). We didn't know that Uranus and Neptune existed--until we did.

Early science had it that the Earth was the center of everthing (I mean, the VISUAL proof was right before your eyes). We didn't know that the Earth was simply one of the planets that rotated around the sun--until we did.

Until quite recently, cutting-edge "science" had it that disease was spread by various things: poisoned wells, or taking too many baths, or by smelling bad smells, etc. etc. We didn't know that microscopic critters that we couldn't see but rode around in various media such as the fur of rats, the guts of mosquitoes or the legs of houseflies and spread often horrific diseases--until we did.

And so on. There are probably hundreds of examples of what "common sense" told us in the past, that turned out to be absolutely false.

I find it interesting, if a bit specious, to claim that "total consciousness" exists of nothing more than knowing that something doesn't exist, simply because we've not found proof positive that it does. We're built to perceive things on a very narrow spectrum and it is only as we develop methods of perception that expand that spectrum do we learn just how narrow our "vision" was. Telescopes, for example, showed us the wonders of the universe in ways that we never could have dreamed. Anton van Leeuwenhoek's invention of the microscope allowed us to see those little critters that spread the disease. For millennia we stood in awe of birds and how they could take to the air, having very little idea of just how--until a couple of brothers named Orville and Wilbur Wright came along and proved that it was not only possible but actually pretty easy--IF one understood the principles. Birds and fish cover thousands of miles to nest or lay their eggs where they themselves were hatched. We still don't really know how they do it but the fact that we don't know HOW they do it doesn't mean that their ability to do so doesn't exist.

I doubt that total consciousness--or total understanding, which is what is really being discussed here--will never be achieved. But that doesn't mean that it isn't a worthy goal. The route to expanding consciousness first begins with an open mind; what we accomplish after that is dependent only on the vision of the people who allow their minds to BE open.

I do know one thing. And that one thing that has been proven time and time again to be an absolute barrier AGAINST expanding our consciousness is "Common sense".

Well stated.

[Ptmckiou]

I think you need to look up the meaning of consciousness. Also, it’s not called total consciousness, but known as universal consciousness or collective consciousness.

If you are talking common sense, it is definitely common sense to know that we have UFO’s and we aren’t alone in the universe. Out of millions of galaxies, and trillions of stars with planets, it’s common sense we aren’t the only Beings, and they can be much more advanced than us, since we are still juveniles when it comes to knowledge and wisdom. Btw, I have photos taken with my telescope of plasma ships. They are undulating masses of colorful light, then change into a solid ship, then back into a ball of colorful light. I have a series of photos as one is changing from a light ball into a solid form ship. They are quite impressive.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest

Should our beliefs always be based on factual evidence or should we allow that simply having faith that something is out there is enough reason to believe?

Great question.

Faith. Belief. Knowledge.

I might have FAITH that the majority of people are well-intentioned even though in this day and age the evidence is often contrary to that. I BELIEVE that when I get on that 737 Thursday it will take to the air in Orlando and land in Minneapolis a few hours later, because I've experienced it numerous times. But what do I, or any of us, really know?

Rene' Descartes said itbest. "Cogito, ergo sum". That is all I KNOW for certain. The rest of the world might be a side-effect of a psychotropic medication.

Ain't philosophy grand?

[jimmy o]

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko

Reaching total conscientious is nothing more than having common sense. We know that crop circles are man made, we know that Bigfoot is a ruse, we know the UFO's that have not been faked are secret military projects, and we know that we have not been visited by aliens. Area 51 was a ruse by the government to scare the Russians into thinking we had alien technology.
Star Wars defense system was the same. There are no alien creatures in the sea, in mountain caves, or in a government lab. Why do we spend so much time trying to fool people into believing something that is not real?

We really don’t know. Here is link to recently released Eisenhower Report from our government. https://majesticdocuments.com/pdf/ei...r_briefing.pdf Very interesting read.

[rsibole]

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko

Reaching total conscientious is nothing more than having common sense. We know that crop circles are man made, we know that Bigfoot is a ruse, we know the UFO's that have not been faked are secret military projects, and we know that we have not been visited by aliens. Area 51 was a ruse by the government to scare the Russians into thinking we had alien technology.
Star Wars defense system was the same. There are no alien creatures in the sea, in mountain caves, or in a government lab. Why do we spend so much time trying to fool people into believing something that is not real?

Here’s a deep thought . . . .

Is Reality a Hologram? a Social Agreement? or Just in Your Mind? Scientists Explain What Reality Really Is

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Topgun 1776

Since you're in deep thought, you might want to learn to spell. Your third word in your diatribe is misspelled. Have a great day!

Thanks for your profound observation ...