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Old 11-14-2012, 09:05 AM
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General Petraeus let his guard down, unfortunately also his pants.
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People don’t seek out an affair to fall in love. They seek out an affair to please themselves or to fill a void they may not be getting from their spouse. Typically, people who do this, aren't looking for love. They’re looking for sex or emotion. It really has nothing to do with betrayal.
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1. Another case of, "what were you thinking"?
2. Holly Patraeus is said to be furious and that's putting it mildly.
3. He let his family and country down and he hurt a lot of people.
4. Her family life is also affected by her deceitful ways.
5. To much is given, much is required.

Sadly, another case of someone aspiring to a position that didn't have the moral fiber to take the high road. Cheating on one's spouse is abhorrent and leads to absolutely no trust.

Sad commentary in that you can't look-up to some people, they have a way of letting you down.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:31 AM
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5 things we've learned from Petraeus scandal - CNN.com

On the timing of this: not sure I would have wanted the Election Truth Machine pointed at this Petraeus scandal as from what I saw of the recent US Presidential and Congressional elections the facts were few and far between. Kind of like having a paranoid schizophrenic run a conspiracy investigation? The defense attorneys would have a field day with that one as those legal beagles of Petraeus probably would also if this came out before the 2012 US Elections.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:34 AM
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The affair happened AFTER General Petraeus reited from the military....so the UCMJ has no legal bearing in this matter. If they started putting people in jail who ever had an affair 50% of the men and 50% of the women would ,at one time in their lifes, be locked up....and yes that applies to people living here in TV also.

I, for one, would be very hesistant to allow one (known) indescretion to erode or tear down a brillant decorated career of more than 37 years and for the Government to possibly lose one of the most brilliant/intellectual minds of today. We all know retirement from ones carrer of many years can change people in many ways. One can say this is a personal matter and should remain within the families involved. There is alot of hurt to go around including spouse, children and close friends and familiy.. However, given his posiiton as CIA Director and the judgement used (or lack thereof) in such things as allowing access to his personal computer, I think Petreaus crossed the line from this being simply a family matter to potentially impacting the nation. From what I read (material avialable to the general public) with no speculation on what did or did not happen, makes this case somewhat different from others in the past. General Petraeus did the right thing by steping down.
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Soon they will be seeking merely to participate in the existing system of family law for married couples, “you’d have to restructure the family law system in a pretty fundamental way” to recognize polygamy.
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Just another General thinking with his Private.
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Just another General thinking with his Private.
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i don't know if gen petraus betrayed us, but given the nature of the release of information re the salacious behavior of so many different players...it seems that someone has again betrayed the american people. makes me wonder when information is being sent up the food chain - who makes the determination as to whether that information is important or critical or can just be dismissed. who decides what information reaches the oval office?
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i don't know if gen petraus betrayed us, but given the nature of the release of information re the salacious behavior of so many different players...it seems that someone has again betrayed the american people. makes me wonder when information is being sent up the food chain - who makes the determination as to whether that information is important or critical or can just be dismissed. who decides what information reaches the oval office?
I think Hillary has experience to answer this.
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Just another General thinking with his Private.
Very funny one liner. I cannot think of that many--if any-- US generals, though, that have fallen for the weakness of marital affairs.

Top Ten Military Sex Scandals--
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-scandals.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-part-two.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...art-three.html
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To me the issue is trust. If he can't live up to the "promises" he made to his wife how can he be trusted with the secrets of national security. In my mind anyone that would cheat on a spouse is scum, I don't care how long they were apart because he was deployed. I spent much of my career for months and sometime years at a time away from my family, i expected my wife to keep our vows and I certainly expected that I would keep them! It amazes me how people will do things to their spouse that they wouldn't think of doing to anyone else in their life
Agree 100%. If you cannot keep the promises made to your spouse before God then you are not worthy of anyone else's trust. Often I hear people making excuses about those who cheat and get caught, and when it comes to public officials they then excuse it by saying "He/she was REALLY good at their job". Hogwash! If you will lie to your spouse then you will lie when it's much, much easier to do so.

Our culture has made divorce very easy in this nation, so if you want to play, then get a divorce and go about your business.

This entire story is disgusting. The general deserves whatever he gets.
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I'm not a lawyer, but Article 2 of the UCMJ states that retired active duty personnel DO fall under it's authority. Who knows, the General might get a Article 15.

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The affair happened AFTER General Petraeus reited from the military....so the UCMJ has no legal bearing in this matter.
Officers never retire completely. As long as he was drawing retirement pay, actually retainer pay, he is accountable to the UCMJ.
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First - we have become too hypocritical about this issue. People are people and they have failings. We live in a 24/7 media culture that makes a great deal of cash from dwelling on this stuff. Ike had his affair, JFK has his affairs, FDR, RFK Hoover and his dresses...blah - blah - blah. Guys are dogs...my guess is that more than a few women are as well.

Two - what the heck is FBI doing investigating the CIA director and then slipping info to Eric Cantor? 1. FBI and CIA hate each other....their mandate permits a certain amount of overlap and funding and staffing follow success.. 2. We have one girl accuse another girl of harassing e-mails....how is this an FBI issue? This is a local police matter. It they believe it involves national security it's the local police's job to contact FBI,,,not some connected family. Let's make it personal...if someone connected wants you investigated by FBI where are your protections? The bottom line - none - nada...welcome to becoming a Federal target...and guess what...the Feds will kill you just based on resources. 3. Eric Cantor...why is he involved (and this was thrust on him - there is no evidence out there that he did anything wrong)? This whole thing stinks. And don't go into easy political motivations. The CIA director was not a dem and his relationship with O was testy. FBI belongs to Holder. Still, my guess is that the internal politics are at a lower level. Whether you are liberal or conservative...criminal investigations shouldn't be leaked to politicians...especially when it turns out that no crime was committed The FBI agent behind this needs to put his shirt back on and start looking for a new job.

Lastly, is Tampa really the new South Beach? Time to party with the brass and their babes.

I hope while this post touched on the inherent politics of this...I tried to avoid it being partisan. For me the bad guy is the FBI agent who tried to make it political in between e-mailing pics of his pecs.
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