[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

First, I believe the people that were screaming defund the police really want retraining of the police and that requires more funding.
As far as crime a lot of crimes either comes from poverty, despair and just outright stupidity.
Maybe a TV campaign showing how most crimes are committed by morons would send a message.
You no longer want to be married, in the long run it's cheaper to get a divorce than turning to murder.
When it comes to stealing, get it through their thick skulls if you steal a million and get caught you will probably spend 10 years in jail. If you have half a brain, you can earn more than a million in the same amount of time and enjoy your freedom.
Lot of people are worried about what they teach in school these days, maybe the first thing the children should be taught is how to earn a living and have a decent life.

Never said better.

[Dantes]

Crime is crime all should be pursued
If someone breaks into your home and only takes a dollar are you going to call the police if not give me your address lol I bet no one gives me there address just an opinion and unapproved poll

[Taltarzac725]

Probably not in the Villages. Any murder near the Villages usually involves domestic violence of some kind. And the violence has already happened by the time the Sumter County Sheriff's Office employees have arrived.

[Wondering]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

New study shows that if the police make fewer stops, there is an increase in homicides.

I guess defunding the police has consequences.

New Statistical Evidence Supports the "Minneapolis Effect" as an Explanation for Increases in Homicides

Your source has a circulation of on only 50,000 subscribers and is a Libertarian publication partially subsidized buy Charles Koch. It is another source for conspiracies. Defund the police doesn't mean eliminate police or cut back their presence in vital areas. Stop spreading your garbage! Do some legitimate research before you post.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Wondering

Your source has a circulation of on only 50,000 subscribers and is a Libertarian publication partially subsidized buy Charles Koch. It is another source for conspiracies. Defund the police doesn't mean eliminate police or cut back their presence in vital areas. Stop spreading your garbage! Do some legitimate research before you post.

My suggestion: Quoting valid research to refute something that is presented, here or wherever, is a far more effective tool for making one's point than insults or anger are.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

New study shows that if the police make fewer stops, there is an increase in homicides.

I guess defunding the police has consequences.

New Statistical Evidence Supports the "Minneapolis Effect" as an Explanation for Increases in Homicides

1. They never defunded police in Minneapolis
2. If you want a Minneapolis statistic maybe you should look at a Minneapolis news source. Minneapolis officials tout lower crime statistics in 2023 so far - CBS Minnesota

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

My suggestion: Quoting valid research to refute something that is presented, here or wherever, is a far more effective tool for making one's point than insults or anger are.

And sometime you just have to point out stupid for what it is..........

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Wondering

Your source has a circulation of on only 50,000 subscribers and is a Libertarian publication partially subsidized buy Charles Koch. It is another source for conspiracies. Defund the police doesn't mean eliminate police or cut back their presence in vital areas. Stop spreading your garbage! Do some legitimate research before you post.

What does the word "defund" mean in your world? According to Merriam-Webster it means "to withdraw funding from." So either the police will do more with less or they will do less with less which sounds a lot like eliminating or cutting back.

Please note that this "Libertarian publication partially subsidized buy(sic) Charles Koch" cited a recently published study that supports its position. Can you cite a study that supports your position?

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

What does the word "defund" mean in your world? According to Merriam-Webster it means "to withdraw funding from." So either the police will do more with less or they will do less with less which sounds a lot like eliminating or cutting back.

Please note that this "Libertarian publication partially subsidized buy(sic) Charles Koch" cited a recently published study that supports its position. Can you cite a study that supports your position?

Good post.

I'm no big believer in "post hoc, ergo propter hoc", but I was there when "The Minneapolis effect" was taking place. The push was to take funding earmarked for the police and give it to SOCIAL WORKERS, who would then accompany police to various crime or potential crime scenes and work their supposed magic to somehow talk the bad guy down, thus either minimizing damage done at the crime scene or possibly even prevent the crime from happening. Some talk at the time about even having social workers respond alone. Fine in theory, but the two groups who got the biggest laugh out of this were cops and social workers, for what I think are more-than-obvious reasons.

Thankfully, it didn't pass. Cooler heads prevailed. But the fact that it was even seriously considered says far too much about the mentality behind it.

[hypart]

The only place that I know that has defunded the police is The Villages

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by hypart

The only place that I know that has defunded the police is The Villages

Very hard to do since The Villages doesn’t have a police force

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Pballer

Stop and frisk proved that you can reduce crime by violating people's constitutional rights.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Didn’t realize carrying illegal weapons or drugs was a constitutional right. I’m more than happy for a police officer to stop me if it gets more criminals off the streets

Agree. The whole Broken Windows thing worked.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

True words.

I think we see examples of that here in and around TV on a daily basis. Some of read asteriskasteriskasterisk
asteriskasteriskasteriskasterisk and nary a day goes by when there ISN'T a story about some guy being stopped for unreadable license plate, stopping at a stop sign with tires over the solid white line, burned out tail light, or whatever; K-9 gets called and "alerts" to the possibility of drugs in the vehicle or on the person, a search ensues and bingo! Another drug bust. The other biggie is petty theft: you can count on at least four stories per week where someone (or several someones) are caught at Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Winn-Dixie, etc. with shoplifted items, arrested and processed for dollar amounts that seem puny to many of us. One of my favorites is a well-dressed, somewhat older lady who was caught on Wal-Mart store surveillance at one of those self-service checkouts not paying for her stuff. From the looks of it, it appeared that it was more a case of absentmindedness than theft. She left the store, got into a blue golf cart (surveillance had that on tape too) and left. I don't recall the dollar amount but I believe it was under $100. The interesting thing was that the cops asked, through the reporting publication, that anyone with knowledge of this woman contact them! That the cops would actually do that is remarkable. In cities and areas where many if not most of us come from, that is a belly laugh on the part of the cops rather than a track-down and arrest.

The cops around here know who the troublemakers and keep the pressure on. There is a fair amount of petty crime around here, but almost never anything major.

Exactly. If you look at what has turned made some large cities like SF LA and Chicago virtually uninhabitable, it is forced soft policing combined with DAs who refuse to prosecute. If criminals know there are no consequences, they will act accordingly.

[Pballer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Didn’t realize carrying illegal weapons or drugs was a constitutional right. I’m more than happy for a police officer to stop me if it gets more criminals off the streets

Unless you were black or Latino, NYC police wouldn't stop and frisk you. Seeing as you are villager and 99.99% of villagers are white, I can see how you might not mind stop and frisk since it would not affect you. The Constitution is supposed to protect everyone from unreasonable searches, not just citizens who are in the majority.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Didn’t realize carrying illegal weapons or drugs was a constitutional right. I’m more than happy for a police officer to stop me if it gets more criminals off the streets

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Agree. The whole Broken Windows thing worked.

Choose one of the following:
1. Someone's privilege is showing
2. Someone hasn't thought this through
3. Someone is quite comfortable giving up their fourth amendment rights

For me, I don't see a difference between stop & frisk, randomly stopping and searching cars, or knocking on your door at 9PM and searching your house. Some would say, "if you have nothint to hide.." but I don't agree with that. While I would like criminals off the streets and out of society, I'm not willing to give up my constitutional right to be secure against unreasonable searches.