[CFrance]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

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Happened to me 4 years ago, now no meds vegan diet & no oils.

Curious if you replace oil with anything, and if so, with what?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by rubicon

I have been so conflicted about the conflicting information that is being decimated by so called experts. the latest being red meat going from a major problem to one steak a day keeps the doctor away. Too much salt and that not enough salt increases your chances of a heart attack. Today I read that the statin I taking is increaes my chances of diabetes and heart attack. also told that those blood pressure meds I'm taking are reduce both bone and muscle. What's a person going to do? Who can a person believe?

Its maddening

I see your point, rubicon. There may be tough dietary choices and tough choices for those who have been told they need to take drugs. I'm not a doctor so I can't really tell anyone what to do about the drug choices.

But I can tell you what I think about drugs in general: Personally, from my own observations, I think that there is often a trade-off. Multiple drugs can be helpful in the short run but they often take their toll over the years. At some point there's a price to be paid.

That's why so many elderly people are being treated for kidney failure etc.. It has been said that dosages have to be adjusted, usually upward, as years go by, putting an extra burden on the liver and kidneys. This whole process is unsustainable. Sorry I can't bring more cheerful news about drugs, but that's my honest opinion.

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Curious if you replace oil with anything, and if so, with what?

Vegetable broth or maybe white wine

[zonerboy]

Drugs are basically chemical compounds. Nutrients which your body needs are also chemical compounds. The origin of chemical compound is not what makes them good or bad, healthy or not healthy. The fact that a chemical is manufactured by a plant does not de facto mean it is good for you. Nor does the fact that the same chemical is manufactured in a test tube mean that it's bad for you.
Certainly medical treatments change as knowledge of human physiology and pathophysiology advances via scientific study. The advice of nutritionists similarly changes and such changes are not always backed up by sound scientific data.
If you can maintain your health thru diet and exercise and lifestyle choices, by all means do so. But this may not be successful in many cases.
Just my honest opinion.

[jimbo2012]

Zoner, why wouldn't it be successful, please explain that comment.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by zonerboy

I hafta agree with Gracie. If 100,000 people died because of side effects of prescribed medication, how many people would have died if these medications had not been available. Ever wonder why the life expectancy today is so much greater than when you were born? Think it could have any thing to do with medical advances? Yeah, could be!
How many would have died of polio if there were no vaccine? Just one example.
Yes, the sky is not falling.
Just my opinion.

The issue is not whether the sky is falling or not. The issue, to some extent, is why people have such a hard time looking at this fact without immediately trying to justify it. And why is it that most people aren't or weren't even aware of it? Why aren't more people interested in how or why this happens?

If a bicycle rider got run over and killed in the Villages, everyone would want to know how such a thing could happen. It would be tragic and God help anyone who would make the following comment: "The sky is not falling".

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Can you find some more current statistics? Since then statins have really increased longevity.

So I am sure that these statistics have changed too.

According to this article:

Can statins extend life, and if so, by how much? | Dr Briffa's Blog - A Good Look at Good Health

…The model estimated that statin therapy increases average life expectancy in the study population by 0.3 years and average CVD-free life expectancy by 0.7 years…

That's four months for those of us that are mathematically challenged.

And then there's this;

“in this trial, statins reduced the risk of a heart attack by 30%”. But what they may not tell you is that the actual risk of having a heart attack went from 0.5% to 0.35%. In other words, before you took the drug you had a 1 in 200 chance of having a heart attack; after taking the drug you have a 1 in 285 chance of having a heart attack. That’s not nearly as impressive as using the 30% relative risk number, but it provides a more accurate picture of what the actual, or “absolute” risk reduction is.

from this article:

The Diet-Heart Myth: Statins Don't Save Lives in People Without Heart Disease

I'm not sold on statins. Especially since they have a tendency to cause muscular atrophy and early dementia. I wonder if the risks outweigh the benefits.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Statins may be keeping people from dementia too. That is a nice side effect.

What I have read and my cardiologist confirmed is that statins have been related to increased risk of early dementia. I don't know where you saw anything that says that it prevents dementia.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Can you compare the number of lives lost yearly from "adverse effects of prescribed medications" to the number of lives saved from taking prescription meds?

Sure. Can you tell me how many lives are saved yearly from taking prescription meds?

[Sophie11]

For the people who are on drugs for their cholesterol - google fish oil. My last visit to the Dr. showed my cholesterol was up and the Dr put me on 4 1G fish oil capsules a day. Upon on google search of this I find it works great and that a lot of people will end up losing weight on it. The prescription is expensive at $280 a month. I will see what happens when I go back in a couple of months.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by slipcovers

Oh GRACIE , statins reduce cholesterol prodution but also reduces CoQ 10 production, needed in every cell, especially the brain. I believe we are the only country that does not supplement when taking statins. I brought that question to a cardiologist neighbor and he agreed. Barry, what do you think?

There's an article online at Livingstrong.com The heading is: Bad Side Effects from CoQ10

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by zonerboy

I hafta agree with Gracie. If 100,000 people died because of side effects of prescribed medication, how many people would have died if these medications had not been available.

Ever wonder why the life expectancy today is so much greater than when you were born? Think it could have any thing to do with medical advances? Yeah, could be! How many would have died of polio if there were no vaccine? Just one example. Yes, the sky is not falling. Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Villages PL

The issue is not whether the sky is falling or not. The issue, to some extent, is why people have such a hard time looking at this fact without immediately trying to justify it.

As Zonerboy and Gracie have pointed out, you are quoting a statistic which is taken out of context unless you compare the 100,000 lives lost to the number of lives saved.
While it's a tragedy that even one life has been lost because of prescription meds, I think that the statistic is just fear mongering unless compared to the billions of lives saved.

[PTennismom0202]

Pharmaceuticals have had a major roll in patient safety programs for a long time. That includes self medication errors, dispensing errors, and being giving the wrong pharmaceuticals in clinical settings. The Institute for Healthcare Improvement has information on patient safety programs. Getting Started There is an entire subindustry working on patient safety issues and quality improvement. Clinicians

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Sophie11

For the people who are on drugs for their cholesterol - google fish oil. My last visit to the Dr. showed my cholesterol was up and the Dr put me on 4 1G fish oil capsules a day. Upon on google search of this I find it works great and that a lot of people will end up losing weight on it. The prescription is expensive at $280 a month. I will see what happens when I go back in a couple of months.

$280.00 per month? Does your doctor think money grows on trees?

You could be enjoying 2 servings per week of fresh wild caught salmon, assuming you are not a vegan. Also, other adjustments may help as well, like a high fiber diet.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

As Zonerboy and Gracie have pointed out, you are quoting a statistic which is taken out of context unless you compare the 100,000 lives lost to the number of lives saved.
While it's a tragedy that even one life has been lost because of prescription meds, I think that the statistic is just fear mongering unless compared to the billions of lives saved.

You, and your above mentioned friends, have NO statistics whatsoever to support your view. If you can call my statistics "fear mongering", I suppose your complete lack of statistics could be called "ignorance mongering."

I'll post the results of a large study in my next post. Stay tuned.