[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix

Stranded gas burners too. To have heat in a gas powered, you have to run the engine and consume fuel. In both cases, I imagine quite a few drivers entered the fray low on fuel. Having said that might make me sound like an EV advocate. Nope. My will will specify that my hearse must be V8 powered Detroit steel.

But, only takes 5 mins. To refuel in heat or cold.

[Topspinmo]

[QUOTE=Southwest737;2292639]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

During cold weather the cars heater chews up the battery charge rapidly. Not a problem for those leaving their garage fully charged for a short commute, but major issues otherwise. Remembering all the EV’s that got stranded on I 95 between Fredericksburg and Richmond three winters ago when snow/ice shut down the highway overnight and keeping warm depleted the batteries.[/QUOTE

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[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by Southwest737

1) Norway Is the Only Country Where the Majority of Car Sales are All-Electric

Norway is one of the coldest regions in the world and is crisscrossed by fjords that make some areas difficult to access. Given concerns that EV batteries don’t run effectively in low temperatures and don’t have as long a range as gasoline vehicles, one would expect that Norway would be one of the last regions to adopt EVs. To the contrary, Norway and its Scandinavian neighbors such as Iceland and Sweden are far and away the leaders in EV adoption. Eight out of 10 passenger car sales in Norway were all-electric vehicles in 2022, with 150,000 sold in total.

Due to huge Norwegian government subsidies, no sales tax on an EV (can be around $27,000), no tolls, free parking, free ferry rides over the fjords. This has been taken advantage of by wealthy people in the cities. Norway is now retrenching, at the least because the policies have been severly criticized for expanding income inequality, but also because the EVs are not affecting climate change & the mining for minerals is so harmful. Like here, EVs are currently a rich man's car.

[ron32162]

WOW is it called blowing one's own Trumpet or sing one's one praises?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by ron32162

WOW is it called blowing one's own Trumpet or sing one's one praises?

So which one’s are doing? Can’t set on fence, got jump sooner or later?

[waterflower]

Research the vehicles catching fire. Not good from the mining to energy used to charge.

[Nellmack]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Not only losing their charge but not able to be charged because even the esteemed Tesla charging network couldn't get power.

Perhaps they need an ad like ASPA showing all the freezing animals that need only $19/month to save more freezing animals. Those poor freezing Teslas crowded around their defunct charging stations.

Looks like we need more global warming so the animals can live and EVs can survive.

If you don't like Tesla, fine but don't make up lies while basing them. There's nothing wrong with Tesla's charging network, I've never had any problems in the 9 years I've driven my car.

Ps: yes, electric vehicles have slightly less range in the cold but I love the convenience of turning on my electric heat and heated seats and heated steering wheel 3 minutes before I enter my car when it's 15 degrees outside. Nice & toasty when I get in. One of the benefits of an EV that you can't do in an ICE car.
Pss: I respect that EVs won't work for some people and some people don't like change but for the life of me I don't understand the bashing?

[dsgreen3]

Originally Posted by mickey100

You will still be able to drive gasoline cars in California and NY. The law is that all NEW vehicle sales will be zero emission vehicles.

Yes, but for how long. Most of the hate towards EV's is due to the mandates, certain groups of people want to limit others choices. If EV's made sense for everyone then the market would sort this out. No one should have to defend their choice as long as they have one!

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Nellmack

If you don't like Tesla, fine but don't make up lies while basing them. There's nothing wrong with Tesla's charging network, I've never had any problems in the 9 years I've driven my car.

Ps: yes, electric vehicles have slightly less range in the cold but I love the convenience of turning on my electric heat and heated seats and heated steering wheel 3 minutes before I enter my car when it's 15 degrees outside. Nice & toasty when I get in. One of the benefits of an EV that you can't do in an ICE car.
Pss: I respect that EVs won't work for some people and some people don't like change but for the life of me I don't understand the bashing?

Bashing? Merely pointing out disadvantages is only "bashing" if you're married to your point of view. Every coin has two sides.

The majority of posts here seem to recognize that EVs make more or less sense depending on one's location and circumstances. But what is mostly unspoken, though at times implied) is the fear that we as a nation will be forced into accepting EVs over ICE vehicles even though economically in many (most?) instances such a move would pose a hardship for many, many of which have been pointed out here, as has been the case in other nations.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Nellmack

If you don't like Tesla, fine but don't make up lies while basing them. There's nothing wrong with Tesla's charging network, I've never had any problems in the 9 years I've driven my car.

Ps: yes, electric vehicles have slightly less range in the cold but I love the convenience of turning on my electric heat and heated seats and heated steering wheel 3 minutes before I enter my car when it's 15 degrees outside. Nice & toasty when I get in. One of the benefits of an EV that you can't do in an ICE car.
Pss: I respect that EVs won't work for some people and some people don't like change but for the life of me I don't understand the bashing?

Talk about bashing.. you do realize you can now buy ICE vehicles with remote starts for preheating and you don’t even have to crawl into a cold vehicle to warm it. And you haven’t used up a quarter of your mileage heating it prior to driving. I’ll take four minutes for filling my tank at a gas station vs the long wait to recharge. To each their own.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Three kids all have one EV

one in St Paul, heated garage, because it’s ST Paul, EV no issues winter or summer, second car is a Benz.

One in MI heated garage, EV lives among the 4 Rovers, no issues winter or summer

One in Louisville, EV and a Beemer, share AC garage No issues using Ev winter or summer, but AC could extend batteries.

All drive less than 10 miles to work, but may return multiple times in 24 hour. EV traded in before batteries need replacement. But they are diehard EV users, and will replace with same.

There is a story in Newsbreak today about the reliability of EVs versus ICE vehicles in the winter in Norway. Norway has the MOST EVs in Europe with 24% of all vehicles. Norway's statistics show that the internal combustion engine vehicles break down MORE often in cold weather than EVs.
...........Now obviously the people in Norway have more experience with EVs than the US, which has only about 7% of new car sales being EVs. Norway probably has more charging stations than the US. And the article did NOT say which MAKE of automobile was popular in Norway. Maybe there are a lot of Volvos and Mercedes in Norway and they have some special strong design features set up for cold weather.
..........But, people in the US need to realize that EVs are early in their production history. They have GREAT potential for improvement and reliability as MORE are purchased. Electric motors are inherently more reliable than IC engines. Electric motor revolve in a circle, while IC engines reciprocate up and down and thus are less efficient. And the center of gravity for the Electric motor and batteries is lower, which is basically superior to an IC engine.
.........The US vehicle makers like Tesla might want to study WHY Norway EVs are so reliable in the cold and year round.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

During cold weather the cars heater chews up the battery charge rapidly. Not a problem for those leaving their garage fully charged for a short commute, but major issues otherwise. Remembering all the EV’s that got stranded on I 95 between Fredericksburg and Richmond three winters ago when snow/ice shut down the highway overnight and keeping warm depleted the batteries.

In a few years the US will have many more charging stations. So, that could help the cold weather driving.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by dsgreen3

No more new gas small engine sales in California 2024, no more new gas cars in California, and New York 2035. So you can see there is mandates that are eliminating our choices and making it harder for people to co-exist.

I think that what California is doing about eliminating SMALL GAS engines is a GOOD thing. They have no catalytic converters on them and likely put out as much CO2 pollution as a full size car. When I see the yard maintenance people here in The Village using small GAS leaf blowers and GAS weed eaters, I think about the extra noise compared to battery operated tools. I think about the pollution produced. I wonder if California is working to eliminate large riding GAS lawnmowers. And what about GAS golf carts?
..........I particularly like the idea of all stone lawns in the Villages. All that fertilizer waste flowing into the small lakes due to over-fertilizing GRASS yards. All the useless time and money spent CUTTING GRASS.
...........California is making a good transition toward all electric vehicles and small motors. The world is going to run out of Oil and Gas soon anyway!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Probably, at this point, because EV's cause more problems than they solve. People, with all different dynamics and situations in their lives, need a fully vetted EV plan to fully embrace the EV philosophy. No one has time or money for more missteps in this country.

Norway was lauded in an earlier post with it's number of EV's but that is not what it seems, apparently. Do an online search on why Norway, poster child for EV's is having second thoughts about EV's. It's not as simple as everyone running out and buying an EV.

I believe that in the long run it will be determined that EV's and what they require did far more harm to the environment than the combustion engine.

Fusion energy may be the answer with 2050 as the goal for automobile use. Seems like a long time away but 25 years pass quickly, ask any old person.

What if OIL runs out before 2050?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Good news for EV lovers. Bargains available from Hertz.

Hertz is selling 20,000 used EVs due to high repair costs | Ars Technica

Not ........higher repair costs compared to ICE vehicles. The article said that repair costs for Teslas were 20% higher than OTHER EVs.