[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

What if OIL runs out before 2050?

Natural gas until 2050.

[Bealman]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Not interested in supporting the slave labor Cobalt mining industry in the Congo to reduce carbon dioxide which is 0.04% of the earth’s atmosphere.

Soruce: Department of Energy
Carbon Dioxide 101 | netl.doe.gov

Because I would rather support other regimes that fly airplanes into our buildings. Abuse women and children. Seems there is no right way. Source: History

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I think that what California is doing about eliminating SMALL GAS engines is a GOOD thing. They have no catalytic converters on them and likely put out as much CO2 pollution as a full size car. When I see the yard maintenance people here in The Village using small GAS leaf blowers and GAS weed eaters, I think about the extra noise compared to battery operated tools. I think about the pollution produced. I wonder if California is working to eliminate large riding GAS lawnmowers. And what about GAS golf carts?
..........I particularly like the idea of all stone lawns in the Villages. All that fertilizer waste flowing into the small lakes due to over-fertilizing GRASS yards. All the useless time and money spent CUTTING GRASS.
...........California is making a good transition toward all electric vehicles and small motors. The world is going to run out of Oil and Gas soon anyway!

And you never think about the toxicity from the battery’s manufacturing, disposal and waste from their creation or the electricity required for all of the above in a totally electric environment. No one ever develops the whole picture of all this proposed electrical environment. The problem with the whole theory is none of it is viable as an efficient process to eliminate fossil fuels.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bealman

Because I would rather support other regimes that fly airplanes into our buildings. Abuse women and children. Seems there is no right way. Source: History

Problem with your statement is we had been fuel efficient and didn’t require other regimes.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Bealman

Because I would rather support other regimes that fly airplanes into our buildings. Abuse women and children. Seems there is no right way. Source: History

Or,

The United States Was Energy Independent in 2019 for the First Time Since 1957

U.S. energy production in 2019 was higher than U.S. energy consumption for the first time in 62 years. Thus, the U.S. attained the long-held goal of “energy independence”—which is not to say that we did not import or export energy, but that we produced more energy than we used. One can thank the oil and gas industry and its use of hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling for that milestone as production in those industries increased a combined 11 percent in 2019.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Or,

The United States Was Energy Independent in 2019 for the First Time Since 1957

U.S. energy production in 2019 was higher than U.S. energy consumption for the first time in 62 years. Thus, the U.S. attained the long-held goal of “energy independence”—which is not to say that we did not import or export energy, but that we produced more energy than we used. One can thank the oil and gas industry and its use of hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling for that milestone as production in those industries increased a combined 11 percent in 2019.

Well said. Some folks do not seem to understand that it is not a good thing to support other countries that hate us and want to destroy us.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bealman

Because I would rather support other regimes that fly airplanes into our buildings. Abuse women and children. Seems there is no right way. Source: History

You do know that the U.S. of A. produces fossil fuel, right? And you do know that we do not normally resort to "fly airplanes into our buildings" right? Source: History.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Southwest737

1) Norway Is the Only Country Where the Majority of Car Sales are All-Electric

Norway is one of the coldest regions in the world and is crisscrossed by fjords that make some areas difficult to access. Given concerns that EV batteries don’t run effectively in low temperatures and don’t have as long a range as gasoline vehicles, one would expect that Norway would be one of the last regions to adopt EVs. To the contrary, Norway and its Scandinavian neighbors such as Iceland and Sweden are far and away the leaders in EV adoption. Eight out of 10 passenger car sales in Norway were all-electric vehicles in 2022, with 150,000 sold in total.

Obviously, you only chose to pick out the part that supports your bias, versus what the whole article's subject points out. The article shows that the rich gained from the EV which further divided the inequity of the economy. It also mentioned how mass transport was affected negatively. AND, AND it mentioned that there were more cars on the road when the purpose was to reduce the amount of cars on the road.
Please try to remember that Norway is about 1/30th the size of the U.S. and what is good for one or two small European countries is not necessarily good for us. Cultures are also different in other countries.
Like I said earlier, before taking EVs seriously, this country should have set up a supporting infrastructure that would be conducive to EV integration. You don't sell tickets to ride a train until you have the RR tracks laid out across the country.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Problem with your statement is we had been fuel efficient and didn’t require other regimes.

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Or,

The United States Was Energy Independent in 2019 for the First Time Since 1957

U.S. energy production in 2019 was higher than U.S. energy consumption for the first time in 62 years. Thus, the U.S. attained the long-held goal of “energy independence”—which is not to say that we did not import or export energy, but that we produced more energy than we used. One can thank the oil and gas industry and its use of hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling for that milestone as production in those industries increased a combined 11 percent in 2019.

We are "energy independent" or a net exporter of energy today. (Forbes, and EIA)

I'm still looking for a link that clearly explains we are not, and never have been, self sufficient for gasoline.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

My permanent home is located squarely in the Lake Erie snowbelt. Our neighbor has two Teslas and never has a problem with cold weather AND both his EV's are parked & charged outside in their driveway, unprotected from the cold & snow right in the open. All you people who for whatever reason hate EV's & especially Tesla need to find something that is actually important to comment on. No one is being forced to buy an EV. You are still free to buy a gas or diesel powered vehicle.

Welcome to the villages! They hate them because they don't have them, and they know that someday it's gonna be really good and they are going to miss out… Hence it is all bad. History will show they are on the wrong side of the argument.
However they are villagers…This is what they do…

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by Aces4

And you never think about the toxicity from the battery’s manufacturing, disposal and waste from their creation or the electricity required for all of the above in a totally electric environment. No one ever develops the whole picture of all this proposed electrical environment. The problem with the whole theory is none of it is viable as an efficient process to eliminate fossil fuels.

You obviously know very little on how a gallon of gasoline is produced. You never seen an article about an oil spill? You can't tell me you've never heard of the Exxon Valdez! How about The Deepwater Horizon Explosion?

Waiting for that article on a major environmental catastrophe having to do with lithium batteries.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Welcome to the villages! They hate them because they don't have them, and they know that someday it's gonna be really good and they are going to miss out… Hence it is all bad. History will show they are on the wrong side of the argument.
However they are villagers…This is what they do…

Oh good, another hater diatribe vs common sense discussion. The electric vehicle in this country at this point is as viable as your argument. Where do you live if not a Villager, btw?

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

You obviously know very little on how a gallon of gasoline is produced. You never seen an article about an oil spill? You can't tell me you've never heard of the Exxon Valdez! How about The Deepwater Horizon Explosion?

Waiting for that article on a major environmental catastrophe having to do with lithium batteries.

Oh, please! Are you aware of what lithium batteries require, where and how those materials are obtained and which countries can hold us hostage for those materials? I’m sure you’ve never heard of lithium battery fires, insufficient electrical grid and charging support for every American to operate an EV to start with the issues.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Norway is NOT even 4% the size of the U.S. Norway is finding out that their push for EVs has been somewhat of a disaster, because what they really want is a reduction in cars on the road. Something like 2% of the country's budget is going to subsidies for those purchasing EVs which has turned out to be a redistribution of tax revenues to the rich, because they are the only ones that can afford them in Norway.
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. In this case, the other side of the ocean. Remember, the U.S. is about 30 times larger than Norway. Size does matter...

If Norway is trying to encourage more people to buy EVs, then logically that would mean that the Norway government believes that there is SOMETHING SUPERIOR about EVs over ICE vehicles.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Janie123

Norway is rethinking about EVs as more and more low income households cannot afford a car and tax subsidies are going to the higher income households that are buying more cars per household than before 2010 when the big push started. Also cities like Oslo although in the north have temperate climates unlike -20 deg in the US Midwest. Average temps in Oslo is around freezing in January.

Why Norway is rethinking its reliance on electric cars - Vox

That's an interesting article about Norway and their subsidies of EVs to the point of 89% of new car sales. That compares to about 20% of new car EV sales in Europe and 7% in the US. One reason that EVs were so popular was the VERY LOW cost of electricity due to many hydroelectric plants. Norway stopped investing in bus and trolley car service for their big cities. And they failed to develop their own low to medium priced EV suitable for the middle class.
.........They were successful at promoting clean air through EVs. But, now they want their large cities to have wider sidewalks, walking paths, and to increase the bike and E-bike usage.
...........Norway likely put too much emphasis on one solution (clean air through EVs) and should have done more diverse solutions.
............Similarly, the US probably put too much emphasis on super-highways and air travel and not enough on trains, buses, and trolley cars. And too much suburbia and not enough clean, crime-free inner city.