[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There is a story in Newsbreak today about the reliability of EVs versus ICE vehicles in the winter in Norway. Norway has the MOST EVs in Europe with 24% of all vehicles. Norway's statistics show that the internal combustion engine vehicles break down MORE often in cold weather than EVs.
...........Now obviously the people in Norway have more experience with EVs than the US, which has only about 7% of new car sales being EVs. Norway probably has more charging stations than the US. And the article did NOT say which MAKE of automobile was popular in Norway. Maybe there are a lot of Volvos and Mercedes in Norway and they have some special strong design features set up for cold weather.
..........But, people in the US need to realize that EVs are early in their production history. They have GREAT potential for improvement and reliability as MORE are purchased. Electric motors are inherently more reliable than IC engines. Electric motor revolve in a circle, while IC engines reciprocate up and down and thus are less efficient. And the center of gravity for the Electric motor and batteries is lower, which is basically superior to an IC engine.
.........The US vehicle makers like Tesla might want to study WHY Norway EVs are so reliable in the cold and year round.

Another advantage of EVs over ICE vehicles is that the EVs use about 1/3 the small parts as an ICE vehicle. Eventually that fact and less expensive battery technology is likely to allow EVs to be the less costly vehicle.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

And you never think about the toxicity from the battery’s manufacturing, disposal and waste from their creation or the electricity required for all of the above in a totally electric environment. No one ever develops the whole picture of all this proposed electrical environment. The problem with the whole theory is none of it is viable as an efficient process to eliminate fossil fuels.

Nuclear Energy generation is WAY, WAY safer than it was 40 years ago. There are solar, wind, tides, thermal, and hydroelectricity as methods of generating electricity. Fossil fuel use does NOT have to be eliminated, just minimized.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bealman

Because I would rather support other regimes that fly airplanes into our buildings. Abuse women and children. Seems there is no right way. Source: History

Looks like WW3 in near future we will need Saudi’s on our side.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Nellmack

If you don't like Tesla, fine but don't make up lies while basing them. There's nothing wrong with Tesla's charging network, I've never had any problems in the 9 years I've driven my car.

Ps: yes, electric vehicles have slightly less range in the cold but I love the convenience of turning on my electric heat and heated seats and heated steering wheel 3 minutes before I enter my car when it's 15 degrees outside. Nice & toasty when I get in. One of the benefits of an EV that you can't do in an ICE car.
Pss: I respect that EVs won't work for some people and some people don't like change but for the life of me I don't understand the bashing?

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So you think they are lying.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Agree. I really don't get this obsession with dissing EV's. It's like these people feel sooo threatened. Maybe it's because it represents change, something different than what they grew up with and they hate change of any kind? Or is it because the gasoline industry pays for PR to stigmatize alternate energy sources and people choose to believe these pundits - unreliable sources that basically spew garbage? Or is it because some people somehow equate EV's with climate change, and again, disregarding science, they are climate change deniers? Whatever the reason, these people are haters and have an agenda. Good luck with that, EV's are here to stay, which shouldn't be a problem. You can still have your gasoline powered car, there is no reason the two can't co-exist. Enough already.

Right back at you. When you denied reports and on national news.

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[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The two claims were the large number of recent reports of EV problems in Chicago and "Remembering all the EV’s that got stranded on I 95 between Fredericksburg and Richmond three winters ago when snow/ice shut down the highway overnight and keeping warm depleted the batteries. "

- I noted that while there were a large number of reports, including the link you provided, they all appear to be based on two unique reports. Rather than going out and finding the problem for themselves, most (all?) of the stories today are just regurgitating those two reports. So, as I asked in post #2: Lazy reporting or not as much of a story as the press is making it out to be?

- As for "all the EV's that got stranded," I still cannot find one article to support that assertion. There likely were EV's stuck in the traffic jam, right next to the ICE vehicles. There may have been EV's that ran out of charge, right next to the ICE vehicles that ran out of gas. There may have been abandoned EV's that needed to be towed, just as there were ICE vehicles that needed to be towed. But what I cannot find is any confirmation of "all the EV's that got stranded" due to "depleted batteries."

Do EVs get less mileage out of a charge in the cold weather? Yes. Do ICE vehicles run as well in the cold weather as they do in the warm weather? No, their gas mileage goes down too. Are EVs more impacted than ICE vehicles? Possibly, but I haven't seen any data to show one way or another.

Are there stories of EVs having problems getting a spot to charge in Chicago in the cold weather this month? Absolutely. Is it better to have an ICE vehicle in Chicago this month? It sort of looks that way based on only those two articles. But does anyone remember trying to get gas during the early part of COVID, during the pipeline issue in spring 2021, or during the last two hurricanes forecast for Florida? During those times it would have been much better to have an EV.

So what think going to happen when majority in 30 years have EVs and power get knocked out from extreme weather or blackout for week or more? only cherry pick articles you like.

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[patfla06]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Our car dealer strongly suggests AC garages, because heat in FL effects battery life. Even at purchase of something as inexpensive as our electric mower, we were warned not to leave batteries in the FL garage. Charge and store in climate control house.or battery life will be half. So not sure about EV auto in heat, only have experience in cold. So far our family have traded in before batteries were in need of replacement.

We are swapping kids EV for our 7 person suv for the summer will see how TV heat effects the EV batteries.

So if you drive an EV to “help” the environment doesn’t it get offset by having to put air conditioning in your garage??

[PersonOfInterest]

If you think EV owners have a problem with the cold what about Motorcycle riders? These guys cannot undertake a trip in the freezing temperatures. This effects both Electric and Gas powered Motorcycles. On a motorcycle you need to add in wind chill and a small patch of ice and the resultant loss of traction can be a disaster. Most motorcycle riders just have to accept that they are not riding in those freezing temperatures.

[John Mayes]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I think that what California is doing about eliminating SMALL GAS engines is a GOOD thing. They have no catalytic converters on them and likely put out as much CO2 pollution as a full size car. When I see the yard maintenance people here in The Village using small GAS leaf blowers and GAS weed eaters, I think about the extra noise compared to battery operated tools. I think about the pollution produced. I wonder if California is working to eliminate large riding GAS lawnmowers. And what about GAS golf carts?
..........I particularly like the idea of all stone lawns in the Villages. All that fertilizer waste flowing into the small lakes due to over-fertilizing GRASS yards. All the useless time and money spent CUTTING GRASS.
...........California is making a good transition toward all electric vehicles and small motors. The world is going to run out of Oil and Gas soon anyway!

Who does your lawncare?

[huge-pigeons]

How about California where you are mandated to buy an EV starting in 2035 but they were told not to charge their EVs last year at many different times because they didn’t have the grid capacity to charge them.

How about the EV owners in Texas a couple years ago where the grid was down because of the cold weather. Now your stuck in a cold house in frigid temperatures unless you have a gas car.
If you look at the Texas news today, EV owners are having problems in the Texas cold (which is a lot warmer than Chicago), Austin, Houston, etc.

“Hertz dumping 20,000 of its electric vehicles, Of note: Hertz is writing down a $245 million loss with the move. The company declined to comment beyond the SEC filing.”
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[asianthree]

Originally Posted by patfla06

So if you drive an EV to “help” the environment doesn’t it get offset by having to put air conditioning in your garage??

Try to READ post as written “Our car Dealer strongly suggests AC garages, because heat in FL effect battery”.. SO you are Bi**hing at the wrong person. If you want her number you can call to make you feel better.
OP asked about EV and cold weather which we have experience, We didn’t bring down EV from north, just got advice from dealer, which i passed on. Again reading posts just takes a few seconds

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest

If you think EV owners have a problem with the cold what about Motorcycle riders? These guys cannot undertake a trip in the freezing temperatures. This effects both Electric and Gas powered Motorcycles. On a motorcycle you need to add in wind chill and a small patch of ice and the resultant loss of traction can be a disaster. Most motorcycle riders just have to accept that they are not riding in those freezing temperatures.

Did someone suggest motorcycles as a viable replacement for ANY automobile? Can anyone say "straw-man argument?"

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Did someone suggest motorcycles as a viable replacement for ANY automobile? Can anyone say "straw-man argument?"

In 3rd world countries motorcycle main form of transportation next to bicycle and only reason motor scooter ahead of bicycle due to Chinese cheap models. Maybe coming to state near us in future?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

How about California where you are mandated to buy an EV starting in 2035 but they were told not to charge their EVs last year at many different times because they didn’t have the grid capacity to charge them.

How about the EV owners in Texas a couple years ago where the grid was down because of the cold weather. Now your stuck in a cold house in frigid temperatures unless you have a gas car.
If you look at the Texas news today, EV owners are having problems in the Texas cold (which is a lot warmer than Chicago), Austin, Houston, etc.

“Hertz dumping 20,000 of its electric vehicles, Of note: Hertz is writing down a $245 million loss with the move. The company declined to comment beyond the SEC filing.”
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Here another “more trusted” news source for some EV market going cold for how long? Probably till free printed money arrives?

Ford, GM, and even Tesla are warning about EV market

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

In 3rd world countries motorcycle main form of transportation next to bicycle and only reason motor scooter ahead of bicycle due to Chinese cheap models. Maybe coming to state near us in future?

Yes, ha, ha. Because I wish to save the world from Climate Change so I think I will ride my bicycle when I wish to go grocery shopping, out to a restaurant to eat, or to Ocala for a doctor's appointment Tell me that the citizens of those poor countries wouldn't rather a dirty old ICE vehicle than riding a bicycle for their travels, if they could afford one. And don't throw tomatoes at me.....