[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Years ago in China, there were very few automobiles seen in pictures of rush hours in their big cities. You DID see lots of bicycles and motorcycles. Suppose in the US in 4 years the world runs out of cheap oil...... and gasoline costs $20 per gal. Then, I imagine we would see a lot of bicycles, E-bikes, and E-motorcycles.

If, if, if. .
Sorry, not interested in excuses for the EVs just not ready yet. Dinner time.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Around the earth, the last 10 or 11 years have been the warmest in recorded history. Lots of people died in the large cities due to OVER-HEATING last summer. This is going on because of humans, too much fossil fuel use, and too much CO2 production. That needs to be STOPPED right NOW! Nuclear fusion and even nuclear energy plants are a FUTURE thing. Fossil fuels are running out anyway. EVs are the only answer, right NOW.
........The majority of Climate Scientists are talking about a "tipping point". Everyone that thinks that the US at 7% of new EV sales is going to stop this "tipping point" must believe that ALL these Climate Scientists are just MAKING UP this PROBLEM. Denying a problem does NOT make it go away.

No one said there isn’t a problem, it’s the solution they are proposing that stinks.

It is a financially and material mess that has not been fully vetted and why aren’t we being shown every step, cost, sustainability and practicality of this plan? I want every gritty detail before this country is led down that path. Think it’s impossible to inform the citizenry how they plan to manage the inefficient grid and other monumental costs when we’re broke?

Please also address the zero emissions plan from China, N Korea, India, Africa and other large contributors to the climate damage.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Around the earth, the last 10 or 11 years have been the warmest in recorded history. Lots of people died in the large cities due to OVER-HEATING last summer. This is going on because of humans, too much fossil fuel use, and too much CO2 production. That needs to be STOPPED right NOW! Nuclear fusion and even nuclear energy plants are a FUTURE thing. Fossil fuels are running out anyway. EVs are the only answer, right NOW.
........The majority of Climate Scientists are talking about a "tipping point". Everyone that thinks that the US at 7% of new EV sales is going to stop this "tipping point" must believe that ALL these Climate Scientists are just MAKING UP this PROBLEM. Denying a problem does NOT make it go away.

If it’s a “human” problem and there are too many in this country, I think it was missed in the plans for the “tipping point”.

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by Carlsondm

The diesel started off awkwardly with that issue. The Model T had a few problems too. Give it time and issues with battery operated vehicles will be ironed out too. I like the hybrids for that reason.

I've owned only hybrid vehicles since 2009 and still hear misinformed comments about hybrids even after them being around for 30+ years. I've had zero hybrid related problems on any of mine. Had a 2010 model that was still working fine with the original battery when we resold it in 2021 to get a newer model with the latest bells and whistles.

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by Byte1

If, if, if. .
Sorry, not interested in excuses for the EVs just not ready yet. Dinner time.

Definitely not ready for prime time. Although the #1 selling vehicle in the world in 2023 is an EV...

The world's best-selling car: What makes Tesla Model Y so successful? | Global Fleet.

Joe

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

No one said there isn’t a problem, it’s the solution they are proposing that stinks.

It is a financially and material mess that has not been fully vetted and why aren’t we being shown every step, cost, sustainability and practicality of this plan? I want every gritty detail before this country is led down that path. Think it’s impossible to inform the citizenry how they plan to manage the inefficient grid and other monumental costs when we’re broke?

Please also address the zero emissions plan from China, N Korea, India, Africa and other large contributors to the climate damage.

India, China, and the US are the largest contributors to Climate Change. China is NOT growing as fast as it has in the past. This could cause them internal problems. I assume that if the US outsourced less manufacturing to China and brought it back to the US or somewhere in the Americas, that we could CONTROL things better for less pollution production. Also, we would then be paying less for total freight costs for goods moving across the Pacific from China to here.
........I don't understand much about India. Only that Russia is their biggest trading partner - they buy Russian raw materials.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

India, China, and the US are the largest contributors to Climate Change. China is NOT growing as fast as it has in the past. This could cause them internal problems. I assume that if the US outsourced less manufacturing to China and brought it back to the US or somewhere in the Americas, that we could CONTROL things better for less pollution production. Also, we would then be paying less for total freight costs for goods moving across the Pacific from China to here.
........I don't understand much about India. Only that Russia is their biggest trading partner - they buy Russian raw materials.

You announced it, no clear plans just money for the electrical investors.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

I've owned only hybrid vehicles since 2009 and still hear misinformed comments about hybrids even after them being around for 30+ years. I've had zero hybrid related problems on any of mine. Had a 2010 model that was still working fine with the original battery when we resold it in 2021 to get a newer model with the latest bells and whistles.

You have a hybrid! What problems should you have? Get back to us if you go all EV in the next few months and then let us know, honestly, and how you’re loving it, the expenses, the costs and the battery life as time goes on.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

I'm going to assume you do not have an EV. Please confirm yes or no......
After saying that it appears the purpose of this post is to bash something you do not have. Y'all seem to put a lot of effort into hating things you don't have.

All vehicles have diminished capabilities in cold weather. In most states they blend the fuel in the winter and that blend creates less BTUs which gives you poor gas mileage. I have an EV and I can tell you that yes it does not perform as well in the winter as it does in the summer. You made a comment about the vehicles not performing well in the summer. That is not the truth! My EV performs just as good at 90° as it does at 70°. The issues with EV's in the winter amounts to nothing more than a slight inconvenience and no worse than the inconvenience I have with my gas vehicle.

My comments regarding diminished performance from EVs comes directly from what I saw on the news. I don't consider my post bashing, just reporting what I saw on the news. My EV is an electric Yamaha golf cart. My SUV is powered by gasoline.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by thelegges

Sometimes you realize you have zero knowledge or any input so a four letter word is the best you can use. Great info. Maybe next time you can find a 4 letter word and add a 3 letter to make post more interesting

Yawn, yawning, snoozing, how’s that.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by asianthree

You realize people own cars to drive them. All three drive in the same conditions, work 12-24 hour shifts, and none have changing stations. As stated they also can make multiple trips within a few hours, almost always in the crap zero and below weather. Cars live outside of cozy garage much more than in. Soooooooooooo

Tell me hall you can drive ALL Those cars claim to have at same time? Tell we you don’t have to go 10 miles to hospital what you drive?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

I've owned only hybrid vehicles since 2009 and still hear misinformed comments about hybrids even after them being around for 30+ years. I've had zero hybrid related problems on any of mine. Had a 2010 model that was still working fine with the original battery when we resold it in 2021 to get a newer model with the latest bells and whistles.

2010 vehicle not really that old. You traded it cause you was worried the BIG expenses was coming and pawned it off on someone else.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Aces4

If it’s a “human” problem and there are too many in this country, I think it was missed in the plans for the “tipping point”.

It tipped about 15 years go.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Just like some on this board only talk about the cons and not the pros. One difference is they use first-hand reports rather than rumor and propaganda and speculation.

Point to some articles that talk about all the EVs being towed during that particular event.

Point to some articles about wind farms going offline due to cold weather.

So that why EV production tanking? People who wanted EVs and brought them the rest of us don’t want them yet Till they go further, reduce charge times, and become affordable for masses. The upper crust is not them masses.

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

So that why EV production tanking? People who wanted EVs and brought them the rest of us don’t want them yet Till they go further, reduce charge times, and become affordable for masses. The upper crust is not them masses.

Rivian and Tesla are doing well. My take is the big 3 are just keeping their heads firmly planted in the sand, hoping they can sell a few more oversized pickups to guys going to the store for a bottle of milk next year. But over time I think they will get their acts together. The switch to the North American standard charging plug is a massive step forward for them.