[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Yes, ha, ha. Because I wish to save the world from Climate Change so I think I will ride my bicycle when I wish to go grocery shopping, out to a restaurant to eat, or to Ocala for a doctor's appointment Tell me that the citizens of those poor countries wouldn't rather a dirty old ICE vehicle than riding a bicycle for their travels, if they could afford one. And don't throw tomatoes at me.....

They would if they could but the can’t. Why they want get free pass into here.

[Cliff Fr]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

My permanent home is located squarely in the Lake Erie snowbelt. Our neighbor has two Teslas and never has a problem with cold weather AND both his EV's are parked & charged outside in their driveway, unprotected from the cold & snow right in the open. All you people who for whatever reason hate EV's & especially Tesla need to find something that is actually important to comment on. No one is being forced to buy an EV. You are still free to buy a gas or diesel powered vehicle.

Actually currently, if you want a new car or suv after 2035 you will be forced to buy an EV. That is what upsets a lot of people, not the existence of EVs.

[Normal]

It’s all about heat. You can keep your car charged if you don’t let it go below 20% as recommended by Tesla. Garaging your car will help keep the batteries warm without using stored power. Finally, electric cars heat the cabin of the vehicle through electrical resistance instead of using engine heat like gas powered vehicles. Use the cabin heater less or set it to low to get more mileage and more out of your charge.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by patfla06

So if you drive an EV to “help” the environment doesn’t it get offset by having to put air conditioning in your garage??

That would depend on the COST of electricity AND how environmentally friendly that GENERATION of electricity is. In the Norway example, they have lots of low cost and available clean hydro-electric power. Probably much more per population than we have in the US. We would have to develop and install SAFE nuclear energy plants.And also the US has a population problem to deal with.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest

If you think EV owners have a problem with the cold what about Motorcycle riders? These guys cannot undertake a trip in the freezing temperatures. This effects both Electric and Gas powered Motorcycles. On a motorcycle you need to add in wind chill and a small patch of ice and the resultant loss of traction can be a disaster. Most motorcycle riders just have to accept that they are not riding in those freezing temperatures.

All I know about cold weather motorcycles is.........during WW2 Russia took over the BMW plant that produced motorcycles for the German Army. The Russians kept the design for the horizontally opposed 2 cylinder engine and added a chain arrangement drive the front wheel in addition to the rear wheel drive. It gave better traction in ice and snow. A Canadian guy drove one across Canada in the winter to make some kind of a record.
.........I know of a guy that drove a HARLEY every day summer and winter in Pa.
.........A long time ago, I had a Vespa that was pretty stable in ice and snow. Somehow, I lived through that. Probably luck!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Did someone suggest motorcycles as a viable replacement for ANY automobile? Can anyone say "straw-man argument?"

Years ago in China, there were very few automobiles seen in pictures of rush hours in their big cities. You DID see lots of bicycles and motorcycles. Suppose in the US in 4 years the world runs out of cheap oil...... and gasoline costs $20 per gal. Then, I imagine we would see a lot of bicycles, E-bikes, and E-motorcycles.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Of course EV's are going to lose some range in cold weather - it's the nature of battery science. All cars, gas and electric, lose some efficiency in cold weather, but for now, EV's lose more. That said, the newer EV's come with heat pumps that warm the interiors, causing significantly less battery strain in cold weather than older EV models. The technology continues to evolve and improve. And there are things that can be done to maximize charging/driving range. Turn on the inside heat while the car is charging; park the car inside when the weather is cold; if you live in a cold weather climate, buy an EV that has the longest range. Electric vehicles have a lot of pluses. Depending on where you live, fuel costs can be half of what you pay for a gasoline powered car. Maintenance costs are less - electric motors have far fewer moving parts, you never need oil changes, spark plugs, fuel filters. The cars handle wonderfully and depending on the model are extremely quiet and have quick acceleration. And depending on where you live, there are tax incentives. I have a hybrid at this point which I love, because it is so quiet and it gets 50 mpg around town. Once the country beefs up the availability of charging stations I would certainly consider an EV when I'm ready to trade. If you're old school, and you want to hang on to your gasoline car, fine. I just don't get the constant negativity about new technology.

New technology can THREATEN the old technology and the profits of those invested in the old technology.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Not so much the loss, but what it takes to replace it.

Five minutes at a gas pump surely does beat an hour at a charging station.

It is possible to look at it that way. OR...........a person might say that because an EV has much fewer parts than an IC Engine vehicle - and does NOT need oil changes - both of which would mean that the IC Engine vehicle will spend MUCH more TIME in the repair shop (SOMETIMES DAYS).
........I just think that it makes sense that as EVs mature and develop that THEY will win the reliability argument over the ICE vehicles.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I promoted the development of nuclear, (fusion), energy earlier here.

I propose that upon the development of total electrical vehicles, all airline use is discontinued with the exception of military. Also, we need to dismantle all the cruise ships other than military transports. Now you’re really knocking a big hole in pollution.

ICE vehicles are NOT the ONLY source of CO2 pollution in the world. They are just a LARGE source and one that could be relatively easily replaced with EVs. Right now there are no battery powered commercial airliners. Ocean liners and freighters COULD BE replaced by large sailboats, but that would take a lot of conversion. If the world runs out of OIL, then lots of radical solutions will HAVE to be tried.

[FredMitchell]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

During cold weather the cars heater chews up the battery charge rapidly. Not a problem for those leaving their garage fully charged for a short commute, but major issues otherwise. Remembering all the EV’s that got stranded on I 95 between Fredericksburg and Richmond three winters ago when snow/ice shut down the highway overnight and keeping warm depleted the batteries.

Your claim about the storm and EVs causing a problem is BS. We were driving in Virginia when that storm hit. The bad weather was forecast. On our second day of the trip back from TV to NJ, we departed early in the morning when the storm hit. The temperature when we started was about 38F. The temperature dropped 1degree Fahrenheit per 10 Interstate miles driven. I was not having control problems. I was very familiar with driving in worse conditions. That said, changing lanes was tricky because the snow was accumulating between lanes, which will cause a skid that needs to be managed carefully. I chose to exit and find a place to stay because the traffic was heavy and it was clear that too many other drivers were unlikely to be able to handle the conditions. The roads had not been brined or salted, which would have been normal in more northern states. Lack of road treatment was the most important cause. Had they been properly treated and plows had been ready and available, that road probably would have stayed open and moving.

We pulled into a hotel mid-morning and waited for checkouts and room cleanings. By the end of the day, the interstate had turned into a 50 mile parking lot in both directions. Cars were actually stopped dead and remained out overnight. Naturally, clearing the roads was extremely problematic well into the next afternoon!

The next morning we left at almost noon. All of the roads, even off the highways were a mess. Many were blocked. In my lifetime, I had not seen so many vehicles that had departed the road, in many cases far off the road. What should have been a 4 hour drive turned into nearly 12 hours. Most of that time was spent on the first 60 to 120 miles. We did not get onto a major highway until we got to Maryland.

As to the claim about heat. It takes the same amount of energy to heat a car, regardless of its power plant. That is basic physics.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Yeah, that was my point. Then you have all the cleanup for the EV mess.

Around the earth, the last 10 or 11 years have been the warmest in recorded history. Lots of people died in the large cities due to OVER-HEATING last summer. This is going on because of humans, too much fossil fuel use, and too much CO2 production. That needs to be STOPPED right NOW! Nuclear fusion and even nuclear energy plants are a FUTURE thing. Fossil fuels are running out anyway. EVs are the only answer, right NOW.
........The majority of Climate Scientists are talking about a "tipping point". Everyone that thinks that the US at 7% of new EV sales is going to stop this "tipping point" must believe that ALL these Climate Scientists are just MAKING UP this PROBLEM. Denying a problem does NOT make it go away.

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

....And also the US has a population problem to deal with.

The US has a population problem? Please explain.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

New technology can THREATEN the old technology and the profits of those invested in the old technology.

There is far more money invested in the electrical conversion of this country. Don’t you wonder why all the investors and the company’s involved in all the aspects of electrical conversions aren’t outed? Might make people really open their eyes.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

I'm going to assume you do not have an EV. Please confirm yes or no......
After saying that it appears the purpose of this post is to bash something you do not have. Y'all seem to put a lot of effort into hating things you don't have.

All vehicles have diminished capabilities in cold weather. In most states they blend the fuel in the winter and that blend creates less BTUs which gives you poor gas mileage. I have an EV and I can tell you that yes it does not perform as well in the winter as it does in the summer. You made a comment about the vehicles not performing well in the summer. That is not the truth! My EV performs just as good at 90° as it does at 70°. The issues with EV's in the winter amounts to nothing more than a slight inconvenience and no worse than the inconvenience I have with my gas vehicle.

Probably doesn't own one, because that would make her/him kind of stupid to bash themselves as making a very bad decision. I bet you wouldn't say anything bad about EVs if you suddenly realized that you had made a very/very poor decision.

[Carlsondm]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Electric vehicles are losing their charge in the cold weather. They also have diminished performance in hot weather. Watching the news, these EVs look abysmal for cold weather climates.

The diesel started off awkwardly with that issue. The Model T had a few problems too. Give it time and issues with battery operated vehicles will be ironed out too. I like the hybrids for that reason.