[justjim]

Originally Posted by JourneyOfLife

Here is Florida's Dept Revenue rule on it.

FL Dept Rev - Use Tax on Out-of-State Purchases

Most states have some form of tax collection approach already for internet purchases.

Thanks for the link. As I read the Florida law, the buyer is required to pay the tax if the vendor does not collect it and send it to Florida. I am sure other States have similar laws. So, if you buy furniture from XYZ company in North Carolina---$10,000.00 worth of furniture -----Vendor doesn't pay the tax---The buyer is suppose to pay 600.00 use tax---same as sales tax amount if you purchased it from Showplace Direct. Same thing if you made a similar purchase thru Amazon. If the tax isn't paid the buyer is liable. An Internet tax would not increase taxes, rather, it would provide a standard mechanism to collect it. The Internet tax would make the Vendor liable instead of the buyer.

[billethkid]

individual retailers only have to make one filing each month for their sales.
Internet providers would have to theorectically be prepared to file monthly in 50 DIFFERENT states, 50 different forms, due dates, filing procedures, etc.

I am an advocate of a process known as show me how you are spending the money you currently get before I would agree to ANY tax increases. I also happen to be of the camp there is more than enough money available.......it is the real world of those who manage money that is not theirs....DO NOT MANAGE spending.

No tax support from me at local, state or federal......they have the funds needed now!!!

btk

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by 784caroline

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99.9% of the federal employees mentioned in this article are people like you and I...they are not Congressmen. I would like to see the article about Doctors, plumbers or teachers...the average person for his/her profession.....the impact/result would be the same.

Surely we would expect any federal employee to be above the norm in these areas. Even banks keep tabs of their employee's credit etc. and take steps to correct it if it gets out of line.


Average Federal Salary and Average Compensation Including Benefits

According to BEA data, the average federal employee salary in 2010 was $83,679 and $51,986 for the average private sector salary.

When benefits are added in, the average compensation for each federal employee comes to $126,141. For private sector workers, the average compensation package, including benefits, was $62,757 for the same year.

In other words, the federal government often pays salaries that are higher than the private sector at the lower end of the skill levels required and often pays lower salaries than the private sector when more complex skills are required.

Average Federal Salary: $83,679 and Lowest Average Pay Increase in 10 Years - FedSmith.com

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Surely we would expect any federal employee to be above the norm in these areas. Even banks keep tabs of their employee's credit etc. and take steps to correct it if it gets out of line.


Average Federal Salary and Average Compensation Including Benefits

According to BEA data, the average federal employee salary in 2010 was $83,679 and $51,986 for the average private sector salary.

When benefits are added in, the average compensation for each federal employee comes to $126,141. For private sector workers, the average compensation package, including benefits, was $62,757 for the same year.

In other words, the federal government often pays salaries that are higher than the private sector at the lower end of the skill levels required and often pays lower salaries than the private sector when more complex skills are required.

Average Federal Salary: $83,679 and Lowest Average Pay Increase in 10 Years - FedSmith.com

Boy, you got that right!

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by billethkid

individual retailers only have to make one filing each month for their sales.
Internet providers would have to theorectically be prepared to file monthly in 50 DIFFERENT states, 50 different forms, due dates, filing procedures, etc.

I am an advocate of a process known as show me how you are spending the money you currently get before I would agree to ANY tax increases. I also happen to be of the camp there is more than enough money available.......it is the real world of those who manage money that is not theirs....DO NOT MANAGE spending.

No tax support from me at local, state or federal......they have the funds needed now!!!

btk

The state of Florida will be happy to show you how they are spending the money they currently get. It's called the state budget, which is constitutionally mandated to be balanced each and every year and which the governor just recently signed.

BTW: Governor Scott is in favor of the Amazon relocation which will require Floridians to pay 6% tax on all Amazon purchases.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Don't we wish the taxers were even near as prompt in paying their own taxes as they are about trying to tax more:

Federal Employees Owed $3.5 Billion In Back Taxes In 2011: IRS

I doubt we as a group (fed employees) are any different than any other group. I don't have the stats with me but I would imagine that the average govt employee is probably a GS9. A GS9 is a middle class citizen.

I am really tired of people picking on Fed employees. I still run across people who think I pay no federal taxes and that I receive free paid healthcare. I usually try to enlighten them to the real facts but stupid is stupid and all the facts in the world simply float over their heads.

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Monkei

I doubt we as a group (fed employees) are any different than any other group. I don't have the stats with me but I would imagine that the average govt employee is probably a GS9. A GS9 is a middle class citizen.

I am really tired of people picking on Fed employees. I still run across people who think I pay no federal taxes and that I receive free paid healthcare. I usually try to enlighten them to the real facts but stupid is stupid and all the facts in the world simply float over their heads.

Federal Employees Pay Lookup www.fedsdatacenter.com/federal-pay-rates/

Apparently you missed this in a previous post. If our federal government cannot police it's own what incentive is there for the private sector? By no means every federal employee or even most are in tax trouble but surely you are not happy or think it is acceptable that this many owe this much $$ and the numbers are increasing . If it is like the private sector those making the most are usually the ones that owe the taxes.

Nearly 312,000 federal workers and retirees owed more than $3.5 billion in back taxes as of Sept. 30, 2011, the agency said. The year before, about 279,000 workers and retirees owed $3.4 billion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2839212.html

Average Federal Salary and Average Compensation Including Benefits

http://www.fedsmith.com/2012/03/25/a...t-average-pay/

According to BEA data, the average federal employee salary in 2010 was $83,679 and $51,986 for the average private sector salary.

When benefits are added in, the average compensation for each federal employee comes to $126,141. For private sector workers, the average compensation package, including benefits, was $62,757 for the same year.

In other words, the federal government often pays salaries that are higher than the private sector at the lower end of the skill levels required and often pays lower salaries than the private sector when more complex skills are required.

Average Federal Salary: $83,679 and Lowest Average Pay Increase in 10 Years - FedSmith.com

[ilovetv]

It seems to me that before internet retail sales like this came into the picture, if I ordered from Eddie Bauer or JCPenny or other such seller, by catalog over the phone, if their distribution and shipping center was in my home state (which it was sometimes), we had to pay the state sales tax because we were in the same state as the shipping center.

I'd think it would already be the same way with internet retailers whose distribution/shipping center is in one's home state.

[Golfingnut]

The tax code is in bad need of improvement.

It would be an act worse than treason not to pay tax at all.

We live in a country that offers a way to change but too many do not get involved.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Federal Employees Pay Lookup Search Federal Pay Rates

Apparently you missed this in a previous post. If our federal government cannot police it's own what incentive is there for the private sector? By no means every federal employee or even most are in tax trouble but surely you are not happy or think it is acceptable that this many owe this much $$ and the numbers are increasing . If it is like the private sector those making the most are usually the ones that owe the taxes.

Nearly 312,000 federal workers and retirees owed more than $3.5 billion in back taxes as of Sept. 30, 2011, the agency said. The year before, about 279,000 workers and retirees owed $3.4 billion.

Federal Employees Owed $3.5 Billion In Back Taxes In 2011: IRS

Average Federal Salary and Average Compensation Including Benefits

Average Federal Salary: $83,679 and Lowest Average Pay Increase in 10 Years - FedSmith.com

According to BEA data, the average federal employee salary in 2010 was $83,679 and $51,986 for the average private sector salary.

When benefits are added in, the average compensation for each federal employee comes to $126,141. For private sector workers, the average compensation package, including benefits, was $62,757 for the same year.

In other words, the federal government often pays salaries that are higher than the private sector at the lower end of the skill levels required and often pays lower salaries than the private sector when more complex skills are required.

Average Federal Salary: $83,679 and Lowest Average Pay Increase in 10 Years - FedSmith.com

I am still not confident that we are comparing apples to apples regarding policing ones work force. I have no idea how much private sector carpenters, plumbers and electricians are behind in their federal taxes. I would assume it would be the same. Fed employees sit at their kitchen tables and complete their tax forms the same way private sector employees do. It is tuff for me to believe that federal employees cheat any more than private employees do.

You also did not touch on the real reason I jumped in here. The fact that I indeed pay taxes at the same rate that private employees. There is not a second tax table that fed employees use.

I also pay for my health care. It's not free as some argue. Is it better than most private employee benefits. Yes. During my 40 years of civil service I made much less in the computer field than my private sector peers. If it were not for the benefits I would have left the federal service to make more. In any event I stayed and paid for my health care insurance while I worked. I still pay for it when I retired. Free health insurance and not paying taxes are some made up Internet rumor to **** non federal workers off and are baseless in fact.

[Spizwink]

Rubicon has it right!

[l2ridehd]

All governments appetite for revenue never goes down. State, Local, Federal. They will find a way to spend any and all tax revenue. They are not run as a business. So I agree with Rubicon, never support any tax increase except to support our national defense and basic required services. Taxes will continue to increase until we go bankrupt and fail as a nation because everyone elected is out to get re-elected, not manage our country as it should be.

[KyWoman]

I don't think there is a law preventing those in favor of more taxes to lead by example and voluntarily send an extra check to the government......... Meanwhile, I prefer to put my money into the free market and help our economy.

[carm310]

I just read this poem yesterday on a friend's post in Facebook. Says a lot about where we are and at the end just enough about where we were. It is from "Charley Reese's final column for the Orlando Sentinel". Google if you want to read the entire column.

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table,
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for
peanuts anyway!

Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid...

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
'Taxes drove me
to my doom...'

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Sales Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by carm310

I just read this poem yesterday on a friend's post in Facebook. Says a lot about where we are and at the end just enough about where we were. It is from "Charley Reese's final column for the Orlando Sentinel". Google if you want to read the entire column.

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table,
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.



Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for
peanuts anyway!

Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid...

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
'Taxes drove me
to my doom...'

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Sales Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

And for minorities, gays, old, and sick people this country was a living hell.
Tax codes are in need of help, but without taxes, hundreds of thousands would be forced back into the old times when life was terrible unless you fell into a category of well off white men and their families. I was fortunate enough be in the good ole boy group. Ask a minority who lived through the 50's in this country how great it was.