[cjrjck]

Ephesians 2: 8-9: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Not for lack of trying...

Lilith was Adam's first wife, and his wife after he ditched Eve when they were kicked out of Eden.

What most do with partner unfaithful, first divorce case

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Along those lines, can anyone explain Genesis 6:4---"There were giants on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God lived with the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."

The sons of God????? Giants???? Even more interesting some translations that state "the sons of the GODS". Gods???? How many????? Even as an allegory, this verse does not seem to make much sense.

I can't help you with the giants, or the really long lived people in the Bible, or the sons of gods & the daughters of man, but polytheism was a common practice with the early Hebrews. The first commandment runs something along the line of Thou shalt have no other gods before me. There are other mentions of polytheism for example Jacob hiding/destroying his wife's idols, Jeremiah complaining about Judah's number of gods matching up to its number of cities, it seems the answer is many gods.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

I can't help you with the giants, or the really long lived people in the Bible, or the sons of gods & the daughters of man, but polytheism was a common practice with the early Hebrews. The first commandment runs something along the line of Thou shalt have no other gods before me. There are other mentions of polytheism for example Jacob hiding/destroying his wife's idols, Jeremiah complaining about Judah's number of gods matching up to its number of cities, it seems the answer is many gods.

I vaguely remember seeing something similar on The History Channel or something similar, that in the ancient cultures in Mesopotamia and surrounding areas it was always a good idea, when one city fought another, not to desecrate the enemy city's God as that was the ultimate disrespect and ensured a lasting enemy.

[skarra]

Really, None. It's all fake stories.

As my daughter said in school about the story of Noah - come on, no-one seriously believes that. She was done with the book after that whopper.

[BobnBev]

Austin 3:16--Can you smell what the Rock is cookin

[cjrjck]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Along those lines, can anyone explain Genesis 6:4---"There were giants on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God lived with the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.".

Numerous times in the bible the angelic hosts are referred to as sons of God. Mainly because they are direct creations of God. Humanity is mostly referred to as sons of Adam because that is what we are. Clearly fallen angels and the daughters of men procreated and their children would be hard to imagine today. Mighty men, men of renown, giants. Pretty much means what it says and is no doubt one of the reasons for the great flood.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

King James version, Genesis, chapter ONE:


So that happened - man and woman. One of each. Along with all the other animals on the planet - birds and beasts and fish and bugs and cockroaches. They were all there by the end of the 6th day, and then God took some PTO on the 7th day.

THEN - fast forward to chapter TWO: God makes a new subdivision in the community, a garden he calls Eden. He sets Adam up in the garden. God then conjures up one of every living thing he already made, so that Adam could give them names. I don't know why God didn't give them names already but it's not my story. Maybe God was tired of doing all the work. But Adam couldn't find a single critter he was willing to get jiggy with. So God anesthetizes Adam and does a little skeletal surgery magick and voila: a woman made out of Adam's rib. Adam thought that was a cool trick and the chick was a keeper so he named her "woman" and that was that.


BUT WAIT - how can that be? What happened to the woman god made on the 6th day in Chapter 1?

So one of those two women was Lilith. Why that name? Why not. The original Old Testament was written in Aramaic, and Adam's name wasn't Adam, and Eve's name wasn't Eve. Those are English names. Not even the same alphabet. You can call Lilith Gertrude if you want, but it doesn't change the fact that according to the old testament, there were TWO women for Adam. One made on the 6th day before God rested, and another one made after he gave Adam a new home and presented all the critters for him to name.

Gertrude?
And, two women for Adam? God should have known that wasn't gonna go well.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

Numerous times in the bible the angelic hosts are referred to as sons of God. Mainly because they are direct creations of God. Humanity is mostly referred to as sons of Adam because that is what we are. Clearly fallen angels and the daughters of men procreated and their children would be hard to imagine today. Mighty men, men of renown, giants. Pretty much means what it says and is no doubt one of the reasons for the great flood.

Seriously??? "Fallen angels" mating with human females creating "giants"??? "No doubt" a reason for the "great flood"???

Here's a better reason-----Melting glaciers and ice caps during the warming that followed the last cycle of glaciation. Hence, ancient coastal cities built prior such as those off India, Japan, and possibly Mexico are now under water.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Seriously??? "Fallen angels" mating with human females creating "giants"??? "No doubt" a reason for the "great flood"???

Here's a better reason-----Melting glaciers and ice caps during the warming that followed the last cycle of glaciation. Hence, ancient coastal cities built prior such as those off India, Japan, and possibly Mexico are now under water.

Sounds reasonable. What makes it so is that the Christian Bible is far from the only record of a great flood. Virtually all of the ancient Mesopotamian religions had such a story, the first (as far as we know) being an account in the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is at least 5,000 years old and predates what became Judaism by at least one millennium and probably more.

There are so many parallels between the Biblical account of Noah and the Epic of Gilgamesh that to deny the relationship is totally illogical. The Epic of Gilgamesh had it's own ark-builder in Uta-napishti. Like Noah, Uta-napishti was given instructions by his deity as to the dimensions of his ark. Like Noah, Uta-napishti was commanded to “Take on board the boat all living things’ seed”. Both Noah's and Uta-Napishti's respective arks landed on a mountain: for Moses it was "Mount Ararat, 300 miles away from Mount Nisir, the mountain where Uta-napishti’s boat is thought to have landed". ("Noah’s Ark and the Epic of Gilgamesh: A Comparison", Hannah Bird, Fellowship and Fairydust). Similar accounts exist in all the Abrahamic religions as well as many others in that part of the world. There are even flood accounts in lands as widespread as India and Central America.

Of course, no matter what religion claims the account of the flood, the adherents will say that the fact that it was so widespread is merely (or actually?) proof that it WAS caused by God. But then you get into the swamp of trying to decide just WHICH God: If all have equal claim, then which one takes precedence? Good luck with that!

This is a common pitfall, in my mind, that comes with taking the Bible as the literal and complete Word of God. Biblical "truth" is NOT found in the blow-by-blow descriptions of events that may or may not have happened two, three, four or more millennia ago, but the lesson, in the case of Noah and the Ark, that one derives from it--that knowingly living in a state of sin can have fatal consequences apart from hellfire and damnation. The Biblical account of the Great Flood is a sterling example of that, but there are many, many others.

[willis100]

Matthew 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

My favorite quote from the Gospel:

Bobby 4:20 - All Hail His Noodly Appendage!

[Topspinmo]

Rev : 8] And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Rev: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Rev : 8] And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Yikes! That’s your favorite verse? That’s pretty heavy. I spent many many years studying: if there was a God (you know, fundamentally as a scientist I was skeptical as hell) and then if there was, what was the nature of God - ten years of constant study - resulted in the smallest bit of understanding so far.

[cjrjck]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Seriously??? "Fallen angels" mating with human females creating "giants"??? "No doubt" a reason for the "great flood"???

Here's a better reason-----Melting glaciers and ice caps during the warming that followed the last cycle of glaciation. Hence, ancient coastal cities built prior such as those off India, Japan, and possibly Mexico are now under water.

You either believe God or you don't. Your call.