[Abby10]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

In a previous post I put up a link to the Columbine incident. If you took the time to read it, you would have noticed the two shooters had made bombs out of 20 LB. Propane bottles,(Evil always finds away). They failed to exploded, Why, I believe some one reached down from above and said not today. Anyway the authorities indicated had these devices exploded, it would have brought down the roof of the building and the casualties would have been over 400. Its a scarry world today and laws will not change that fact.

The exact thought I had when I heard the Parkland shooter's gun jammed.

People, we have got to wake up! As Steve said - evil always finds a way. We need to quit arguing about guns and begin coming up with real solutions on how to protect our most vulnerable. Another poster suggested that we, the people, do something and quit waiting on the government to come up with a solution. He in turn was called out by another poster who thought that was not possible. But, it is! We are already hearing about schools who are locked down while in session and teachers who are licensed to conceal carry with many others lining up to get training to become licensed. Also, the hiring of armed security or volunteer armed security is in place in some areas of the country. We CAN do something and we should.

In my mind, this is just one more way we, the people, are taking back the country. We don't have to depend on the federal government to solve all of our problems, and we shouldn't. More control needs to be in the hands of the local communities, meaning the local citizens working hand in hand with the schools and the local government to tighten up security for our children's sake.

One final note, another poster insinuated that it was not good for the morale of children to have guns (in the way of security) in schools and that being locked down is too much like a prison and, as such, both would inhibit learning. I say what inhibits learning is fear and the feeling of one not being safe. Measures like those mentioned above will improve the feeling of security that all children need to thrive.

[billethkid]

More rules and discipline which the majority will have no problem with as long as what ever is said and done in enforced.

Those who would cry out against such, let's call them "fixes" are in the minority. And it is time to tell the minority, their minority position is duly noted. Now follow the rules and comply like the other 99+%.

As Spock would logically say....the good of the many far outweighs the good of the one.
Yes it is time for the majority, to get back to being the norm!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by billethkid

More rules and discipline which the majority will have no problem with as long as what ever is said and done in enforced.

Those who would cry out against such, let's call them "fixes" are in the minority. And it is time to tell the minority, their minority position is duly noted. Now follow the rules and comply like the other 99+%.

As Spock would logically say....the good of the many far outweighs the good of the one.
Yes it is time for the majority, to get back to being the norm!

You have said this in your posts for years and I very much agree with you. The unrealistic citizens have huge clout with the mainstream media constantly stirring the pot, using diversion and opinion rather than factual reporting of real situations as they did in the past.

It is time for the more polite majority to make more noise.

[Cisco Kid]

Illinois just passed 6 more gun laws today to go with thousands that we have. It is good to know that the killing in Chicago will now be over.

[Fredster]

Originally Posted by Cisco Kid

Illinois just passed 6 more gun laws today to go with thousands that we have. It is good to know that the killing in Chicago will now be over.

I will never understand the ridgid mindset
that will continue to believe that 6 more laws
will make that true!

[spuds51]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You have said this in your posts for years and I very much agree with you. The unrealistic citizens have huge clout with the mainstream media constantly stirring the pot, using diversion and opinion rather than factual reporting of real situations as they did in the past.

It is time for the more polite majority to make more noise.

It's interesting that you bring up mainstream media. I have long believed that they play a very large part in these shootings. Of course, when something like this happens it's news and it will be reported (you heard it first here at ch 2) but I see no need to give their names, show their faces, tell their sad little stories. They are giving them exactly what they want. I see it as a sick mind trying to out-do the last sick mind. They want the notoriety. Instead of giving their names belittle them. Report it as another worthless loser committed another senseless act and make a point of saying that they will not air their name or show their face. That IMO would do more to slow down school shootings than adding any gun laws.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Fredster

I will never understand the ridgid mindset
that will continue to believe that 6 more laws
will make that true!

Those 6 laws amount to nothing more than chest thumping and vote bait.

[rivaridger1]

I have not opened any of the threads on TOV for a while, but knew this one would be interesting and an important discourse on a gnawing societal issue which bothers me on a daily basis. Depending on the day, frankly I can come down on either side of the debate. It all eventually comes down to how we balance the individual rights guaranteed to us by our Constitution against the responsibilities we have to protect the society responsible for providing those guaranties.

Frankly, I think we need, no matter the individual economic consequences, to do all in our power to preserve our rights as citizens of this great country.

With that said, limit access to our educational institutions. If we can protect our airports, certainly we can protect our schools. Chain link fences, limited access points, and armed security are an answer. If we look at our governmental institutions, starting with the Feds, proceeding to the states and counties, this has already been done. We do not to arm teachers, particularly if they do not want to be armed.

Security and peace of mind cost money. Acknowledge that for goodness sake and spend it. If it preserves our personal guaranteed rights which many have died to preserve , it is worth it.

[Steve9930]

Freedom comes with risks.

[GoodLife]

A few updates:

The Florida deputy stationed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School who waited outside while 17 people were killed said in radio calls that he believed the shots were coming from inside the school as newly released logs revealed that officers did not enter until 11 minutes after the shooting started.

Scot Peterson had previously said through his lawyer that he believed the gunshots were "originating from outside."

Deputy said in radio calls shots were coming from inside - NY Daily News

FBI staffers knew warnings about Nikolas Cruz were related but closed the case, lawmakers learn

FBI staffers knew warnings about Nikolas Cruz were related but closed the case, lawmakers learn | Fox News

Hero Parkland Student Shot 5 Times Shielding Others Is First To Sue Broward Sheriff, School

A 15-year-old who was grievously wounded in the Florida school shooting has filed notice that he will sue authorities to seek money to cover the cost of his recovery.

A lawyer for Anthony Borges and his family says the sheriff’s office, the school resource officer, the Broward County school system and the principal at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School failed to protect students from the teen gunman who killed 17 people and wounded more than a dozen others on Valentine’s Day.

Hero Parkland Student Shot 5 Times Shielding Others Is First To Sue Broward Sheriff, School | Sparta Report

Compare and contrast this kid with David Hoggs, who was not even in the building where shots were fired, who is now all over the TV and Twitter calling for gun control.

[DeanFL]

Today Gov Scott signed the Bill passed by the FL Legislature. Very pleased that our state government worked together well and quickly. Personally I agree with all detail points of this bill - a very good start, and throws the gauntlet down to other states.

Overview>

Gov. Rick Scott today signed a school safety and gun control bill that came in the wake of the Parkland shootings that killed 17 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

The bill includes language on procedures that would allow some teachers and staff to carry guns on campus. It also imposes a three-day waiting period for any gun purchase and raises the minimum legal age for buying all guns in Florida from 18 to 21.

The half-billion dollar package, dubbed the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act, includes requirements for mental health and safety programs in schools.


Watch it: Gov. Rick Scott proposes school safety plan

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

Today Gov Scott signed the Bill passed by the FL Legislature. Very pleased that our state government worked together well and quickly. Personally I agree with all detail points of this bill - a very good start, and throws the gauntlet down to other states.

Overview>

Gov. Rick Scott today signed a school safety and gun control bill that came in the wake of the Parkland shootings that killed 17 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

The bill includes language on procedures that would allow some teachers and staff to carry guns on campus. It also imposes a three-day waiting period for any gun purchase and raises the minimum legal age for buying all guns in Florida from 18 to 21.

The half-billion dollar package, dubbed the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act, includes requirements for mental health and safety programs in schools.


Watch it: Gov. Rick Scott proposes school safety plan

I like Governor Scott more and more. I really liked that he stayed on the media before Irma telling people to take the Hurricane seriously and I felt he really cared. This compromise is a good example. He is obviously not afraid of the extreme feelings about this issue. I think he is strong and brave and a good person.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

Today Gov Scott signed the Bill passed by the FL Legislature. Very pleased that our state government worked together well and quickly. Personally I agree with all detail points of this bill - a very good start, and throws the gauntlet down to other states.

Overview>

Gov. Rick Scott today signed a school safety and gun control bill that came in the wake of the Parkland shootings that killed 17 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

The bill includes language on procedures that would allow some teachers and staff to carry guns on campus. It also imposes a three-day waiting period for any gun purchase and raises the minimum legal age for buying all guns in Florida from 18 to 21.

The half-billion dollar package, dubbed the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act, includes requirements for mental health and safety programs in schools.


Watch it: Gov. Rick Scott proposes school safety plan

And the NRA is on it...same day

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- The National Rifle Association has filed a federal lawsuit over a Florida legislation that raises the age to buy guns to 21."

NRA files federal lawsuit over Florida legislation that raises the age to buy guns to 21 | abc11.com

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

Today Gov Scott signed the Bill passed by the FL Legislature. Very pleased that our state government worked together well and quickly. Personally I agree with all detail points of this bill - a very good start, and throws the gauntlet down to other states.

Overview>

Gov. Rick Scott today signed a school safety and gun control bill that came in the wake of the Parkland shootings that killed 17 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

The bill includes language on procedures that would allow some teachers and staff to carry guns on campus. It also imposes a three-day waiting period for any gun purchase and raises the minimum legal age for buying all guns in Florida from 18 to 21.

The half-billion dollar package, dubbed the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act, includes requirements for mental health and safety programs in schools.


Watch it: Gov. Rick Scott proposes school safety plan

To the best of my knowledge, no female teenager has ever committed a mass shooting at a school.

In view of that fact, this appears to be an unfair law, limiting women's rights with no basis to justify it.

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[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Bucco

And the NRA is on it...same day

| abc11.com[/url]

All Central Florida Democrats voted against the bill.