Originally Posted by graciegirl

I agree. And since the gun issue does not seem likely to be solved at once, then I think we need turn attention to the school's being made safer with new ideas not used before. There are businesses that offer seminars to corporations to make their facilities safer from attacks like these. They teach people to break windows and run. They teach people to throw things and they teach people how to save their lives. We need to be open to that as well.

Saying that something is complex and does not have an easy answer does not mean that nothing can be done. We need to realistically assess what we can do and be open to new ideas. Teachers and staff who are willing to be armed is another thought not previously considered.

Yes exactly we cannot just stand by and do nothing. We need to discuss options and then lobby our politicians to try them. Although putting guns in schools except for in the hands of guards does not seem like a good idea. If the kids want them they will get them.

[AJ32162]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I agree. And since the gun issue does not seem likely to be solved at once, then I think we need turn attention to the school's being made safer with new ideas not used before. There are businesses that offer seminars to corporations to make their facilities safer from attacks like these. They teach people to break windows and run. They teach people to throw things and they teach people how to save their lives. We need to be open to that as well.

Saying that something is complex and does not have an easy answer does not mean that nothing can be done. We need to realistically assess what we can do and be open to new ideas. Teachers and staff who are willing to be armed is another thought not previously considered.

This seems to be a logical approach to the problem:

Israel Figured Out How to Prevent School Shootings 40 Years Ago-It's Time the US Followed Suit - Lawrence Meyers

[Boomer]

I have been around TOTV far too long, but I keep on tuning in. I have been watching this thread and I must say that I am a bit impressed as to how the discussion is going because, for the most part, posters are sharing their own thinking in their own words. This thread is not all full of links. YAY!

Unless I missed something, I have seen only one link to one of those “Choose Your News” sites (or networks) that permeate our culture with the sole purpose of keeping viewers angry and paranoid and hopelessly divided.

We see leaders who show nothing but contempt for the American people. They must laugh in private at how easy it has been to manipulate for the sake of gaining power. Keep ‘em paranoid and angry — way too easy. Good old divide and conquer tactics — as anyone ever involved in contract negotiations should be able to recognize immediately.

There are now families and friendships and probably even marriages that are being damaged — some beyond repair — because of so many who are willing to abdicate their own thinking to the big, manipulative screen. Actual discussion of different ideas is now often impossible.

But I must say that it is interesting to see that most posters here are sharing their own thinking rather than simply signing up to be a part of the Regurgitation Nation. I might not agree with some, but I certainly can respect original thinking so, at least, it is a start.

I hope the thread continues in this way, but my guess is someone will jump the track and get the thread closed.

PS:

Dear Bucco,

Will you be my new best friend.

Sincerely,
Boomer

[Abby10]

Originally Posted by AJ32162

This seems to be a logical approach to the problem:

Israel Figured Out How to Prevent School Shootings 40 Years Ago-It's Time the US Followed Suit - Lawrence Meyers

This is a good article. Hope others read it as well. The writer states, upfront and very clearly, the problem that has hung over our country regarding this issue before going on to propose a solution. My only argument would be that it can't stop there. Although it would provide much needed security immediately, we still need to continue to work on the societal issues which cause people to carry out such horrific acts. It is a complex matter indeed, but the immediate danger could be curtailed with the placement of proper security at schools.

[GoodLife]

FBI got tip on Florida shooter Nikolas Cruz in January, but didn’t ‘follow protocols’

PARKLAND, Fla. — Less than six weeks before Nikolas Cruz committed one of the deadliest school shootings in American history, someone who knew him called an FBI tip line to complain about him, the agency revealed on Friday.
But no one followed up.

FBI got tip on Florida shooter Nikolas Cruz in January, but didn'''t '''follow protocols''' - NBC News

[JayChica]

i agree on all counts. something must be done.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Abby10

This is a good article. Hope others read it as well. The writer states, upfront and very clearly, the problem that has hung over our country regarding this issue before going on to propose a solution. My only argument would be that it can't stop there. Although it would provide much needed security immediately, we still need to continue to work on the societal issues which cause people to carry out such horrific acts. It is a complex matter indeed, but the immediate danger could be curtailed with the placement of proper security at schools.

I agree. You are a realistic thinker IMHO.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

I think it's pretty clear that the statement of 17 (revised from 18) "shootings" is factually correct...given that every firearm discharge could hurt someone.

Florida school shooting brings yearly tally to 17 in 2018

Check the real data. Its not correct.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

FBI got tip on Florida shooter Nikolas Cruz in January, but didn’t ‘follow protocols’

PARKLAND, Fla. — Less than six weeks before Nikolas Cruz committed one of the deadliest school shootings in American history, someone who knew him called an FBI tip line to complain about him, the agency revealed on Friday.
But no one followed up.

FBI got tip on Florida shooter Nikolas Cruz in January, but didn'''t '''follow protocols''' - NBC News

Bad stuff and should be part of the discussion. A person taking tips did not forward to the Miami bureau and that is on them.

It is not good, but I submit it is a fact that they have prevented many many more than this by great and quick response.

That does not mitigate the mistake in any way. Would it have stopped the shooting...who knows but maybe is close enough. They owned up within 24 hours and began their own investigation.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Bad stuff and should be part of the discussion. A person taking tips did not forward to the Miami bureau and that is on them.

It is not good, but I submit it is a fact that they have prevented many many more than this by great and quick response.

That does not mitigate the mistake in any way. Would it have stopped the shooting...who knows but maybe is close enough. They owned up within 24 hours and began their own investigation.

This was the 2nd tip the FBI got, the first one I can let slide, they did not have verifiable ID on the guy, this one was a direct tip, who the guy was, where he was located. See something say something only works if the tip is seriously investigated.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Psa1000

I agree with you. Get the politics out of this issue and prevent this from happening again. No one needs a AR-15 - ban the sale of these weapons. Getting them off of the street, of course, is another obstacle. The Quick Fix, if there is one, would work for me. I have grandchildren that are at risk by just going to school.

You can make your own Ar-15. The technology has pasted that hurtle. Its pretty easy. You can also 3d Print high capacity magazines. Both are easily done.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by 8notes

The issue is twofold - the size of the magazine is really important. NY and California have laws limiting magazine sizes to 10 rounds, but the Las Vegas shooter had a magazine that held 50-100 rounds. Why does anyone even legally need 10 rounds? And yes, shooters may still shoot people but if the magazine is smaller, they have to reload more frequently so not as many people die. The other issue is automatic vs. semi-automatic. The use of bump stocks to make a weapon virtually automatic is not illegal, and it is easy to add one on to a weapon. These are just 2 things that need to be looked at. You can't just keep on allowing people to do anything they want. We have to balance the gun owners' rights with public safety.

High capacity magazines are easily made with a 3D Printer,

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

This was the 2nd tip the FBI got, the first one I can let slide, they did not have verifiable ID on the guy, this one was a direct tip, who the guy was, where he was located. See something say something only works if the tip is seriously investigated.

You can go off on the FBI all you want. The terrorists and mass shootings they have PREVENTED over many years are what I remember and while it certainly may have stopped it, and it makes me unhappy, the FBI is almost the very best friend this country has.

Read the indictments today for example......We will find out all the details because they do not hide anything and "fessed" up immediately that it appears the tip was not forwarded to Miami.

[Steve9930]

Twitter and Facebook should be shutdown. Its full of erroneous information. Its also not helping the kids. These social websites are part of the problem. We also need to harden the Security of our schools. Not just because of the child on child violence, but because there are other threats. The law needs to be changed so as you need to be 21 to buy any firearm. We need to add more resources to support the teachers, more counselors, smaller class sizes, more discipline, more mental guidance. Parents need to be parents again. Guide your children. Your their parent not their friend. Just today another could have been incident. 18 year old was going to use explosives to attack his school. The Grandmother got wind of this and turned him into the FBI and he was arrested. There is a problem here and its not guns. We need to keep these children away from these violent games they play. You see enough of this and you get desensitized. Its time to fix the Gun Data Base and background check system. Its time to get serious about this problem.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by PersonalChoice

These shootings happen in gun-free zones. Teachers and school staff should be allowed to conceal carry in schools after they obtain the proper training. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. My thoughts and prayers are for all those affected by this horrific event in Broward County.

On the news tonight it was confirmed an armed guard was present at the school.

The high school was NOT a gun free zone!