[Challenger]

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Has Lady Liberty's inscription been revoked ?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Challenger

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Has Lady Liberty's inscription been revoked ?

My ancestors had to have a sponsor. My grandfather was indentured. There is a legal way and an illegal way to become a citizen.

And our country is already in debt. There is only so much we can do financially. We can't take care of everybody. No matter if they long to be here and are good people. This isn't the way we used to do things. We are being overwhelmed with people just strolling in. That beautiful quote above was written before we had welfare. People who came here had to be able to take care of themselves immediately.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Challenger

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Has Lady Liberty's inscription been revoked ?

This country is more open and more receptive than it has ever been in its history.

Do not get lost in the politics of the situation. We are a country of LAWS, not men, and to say in anyway that the thought behind that inscription has been "revoked" is simply a sign of lack of understanding. We have become lax, not less open and that is dangerous to those who lived and dreamed the words you quote.

If we have turned our back on the world, it is our lack of attention to it..the world. It is our lack of understanding that the need in the world is of a leader and we are that leader, or used to be. THAT is not meant to say fighting others battles, that is not always the answer, but the world is under siege (just watch the news or read the paper today) and we cannot afford to ignore the world: THAT would be a revoking of our promise to the world.

[NottaVillager]

An honored guest comes in your front door. A thief sneaks in your back door.

[Tennisnut]

From Wikipedia:

Refugees of the Syrian Civil War, widely referred as the Syrian refugees,[18] are Syrian nationals, who have fled Syria with the escalation of the Syrian Civil War.[19] To escape the violence, roughly two and a half million Syrian refugees have fled the country to neighboring Jordan,[20] Lebanon, Turkey,[21][22] Iraq and Iraqi Kurdistan,[23] while thousands also ended up in more distant countries of the Caucasus, the Persian Gulf and North Africa.

In August 2012, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) reported that the number of registered Syrian refugees had reached over 200,000, exceeding the UNHCR estimate of 185,000 for the entire year.[24] Also according to the United Nations, 6 million people inside Syrian needed help and about 4 million Syrians were internally displaced because of the Syrian Civil War.[24][25]

By early 2013, the UNHCR announced that the number of refugees had topped 1 million, and by March 2013 had risen to 1,204,707 people. A spokeswoman for UNHCR, Sybilla Wilkes, also reported that the rate of flight from Syria was increasing. "In March an average of 10,000 people crossing per day. In February it was 8,000. In January it was 5,000. The numbers keep going up and up."[26] In September 2013, the number of Syrian refugees topped 2 million. On December 2013, UN announced an aid appeal for US$6.5 billion in order to assist the Syrian population - some US$2.3 billion are destined for civilians inside Syria, while US$4.2 billion would go to Syrian refugees in neighbouring countries.[27] This was the all-time high humanitarian appeal in UN history.

I think Lady Liberty has emigrated to Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan!

[Rags123]

Funny, well not funny, but ironic.

As I understand the current problem in my naive manner, we have a well intentioned law from 2008 that has created a loophole. Seems one of the infamous directives might change that law as with others, or both chambers in Congress could make a phone call and change that law to stop the unintended consequences of the 2008 law.

But, right now in our country, everything has to have a gain for "our side" thus inaction is making everything worse, much worse.

My suggestion does NOT take care of the big picture immigration problem but it might reduce the stress on the current influx into our land.

No, this country is still accepting those who want to come here, but I, as an American, want to insure that those who come, come in that "front door" and they will be welcomed, hugged and fostered in this land.

Everyone in this country knows mostly from practical and real life knowledge the importance of those immigrants. They are welcome and invited.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Rags123

Funny, well not funny, but ironic.

As I understand the current problem in my naive manner, we have a well intentioned law from 2008 that has created a loophole. Seems one of the infamous directives might change that law as with others, or both chambers in Congress could make a phone call and change that law to stop the unintended consequences of the 2008 law.

But, right now in our country, everything has to have a gain for "our side" thus inaction is making everything worse, much worse.

My suggestion does NOT take care of the big picture immigration problem but it might reduce the stress on the current influx into our land.

No, this country is still accepting those who want to come here, but I, as an American, want to insure that those who come, come in that "front door" and they will be welcomed, hugged and fostered in this land.

Everyone in this country knows mostly from practical and real life knowledge the importance of those immigrants. They are welcome and invited.

Well stated.

What will we do when those from the North and from across the Atlantic and Pacific demand EQUAL treatment or allowance?

I am interested to see just how accomodating those who defend the current mindless support of an open border. Are you willing to start paying more of your retirement $$$ to take care of them. Too many tight now are very brave with their words because they have absolutely nothing invested and there is no immediate threat to their well being or way of life. But the generations behind us will pay dearly and their way of life will be severly affected. Just listen to the impact already at the schools and hospitals. Just watch and see as the rolls for food stamps and welfare double again.

Those who are for this out of control onslaught by illegal entrants are completely out of touch with the true reality. The enemies of the USA will stand by in amusement as this country implodes into a third world country.

We have resolved to being the paper tiger the Japanese feared they awakened with Pearl Harbor. The enemies of today have no fear of the tiger that has been declawed and teeth removed!!!!!!!

[buggyone]

It seems as though my comment was not appreciated by at least one poster. I have taken it down.

As to a solution for what to be done on our border to the South - How to turn the influx back to Central America? It could be just to refuse them entry and turn them around with a brief amount of force? Would that look good or would it work? No.

A high wall from Texas to California with barbed wire on top? Would that look good or would it work? No.

Education funds and humanitarian funds to Central America so they would be somewhat better off? Might work.

Take in families and children under a certain age. Good idea.

[MikeV]

Originally Posted by Rags123

Mr Buggyone,



Many try to place guilt on those of us who believe in the proper execution of law. It does not work on me for one.



I welcome all humanity, but within the law, not outside it based on political philosophy if that is the driver to NOT execute existing law, nor to address what is obviously the trigger for the current problem.



I feel guilty mostly for not being able to help those who are being required to care for those who came here under false pretenses, not matter how those pretenses were manufactured.



I feel guilty for the inaction of our government as a whole to address the situation and how it will affect us in the future.



I feel guilty for those all over the world being killed and maimed...in Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Israel. I feel guilty for those who go to bed each night with a threat hanging over their head.



I do not feel guilty for wanting my countries laws to be respected, followed and adhered to.



Mr Buggyone, your comment is extremely offensive to anyone who really cares about humanity, because if anyone cares about humanity, that would also include citizens of this country, that would include those suffering as a result of the run on our borders.



These folks were not attacked by us......



No, I feel not one single iota of guilt, but as you did on another thread Mr Buggyone, your attempt at laying guilt at everyones feet without addressing the problem is apparent.



The thread was not and should not be political. It is a concern about what our country stands for. Your response is the political response of the day and goes to solve nothing.



No, I stand tall, proud of my TOLERANCE and will not accept an attempt to use a tactic such as you have in your post.

Very We'll put. I totally agree with you.

[zcaveman]

Originally Posted by Rags123

Mr Buggyone,

Many try to place guilt on those of us who believe in the proper execution of law. It does not work on me for one.

I welcome all humanity, but within the law, not outside it based on political philosophy if that is the driver to NOT execute existing law, nor to address what is obviously the trigger for the current problem.

I feel guilty mostly for not being able to help those who are being required to care for those who came here under false pretenses, not matter how those pretenses were manufactured.

I feel guilty for the inaction of our government as a whole to address the situation and how it will affect us in the future.

I feel guilty for those all over the world being killed and maimed...in Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Israel. I feel guilty for those who go to bed each night with a threat hanging over their head.

I do not feel guilty for wanting my countries laws to be respected, followed and adhered to.

Mr Buggyone, your comment is extremely offensive to anyone who really cares about humanity, because if anyone cares about humanity, that would also include citizens of this country, that would include those suffering as a result of the run on our borders.

These folks were not attacked by us......

No, I feel not one single iota of guilt, but as you did on another thread Mr Buggyone, your attempt at laying guilt at everyones feet without addressing the problem is apparent.

The thread was not and should not be political. It is a concern about what our country stands for. Your response is the political response of the day and goes to solve nothing.

No, I stand tall, proud of my TOLERANCE and will not accept an attempt to use a tactic such as you have in your post.

Just out of curiosity, where did you get this quote from?

Z

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by zcaveman

Just out of curiosity, where did you get this quote from?

Z

I sang it in high school. Are you an American citizen? If so, you should know where it comes from. If not, google will answer your question.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by zcaveman

Just out of curiosity, where did you get this quote from?

Z

If you refer to the OP in post one...

""Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door


It was written by a Jewish poet and is inscribed at the base of the Statue of Liberty and has for many years welcomed immigrants to our shore !

[zcaveman]

Originally Posted by Rags123

If you refer to the OP in post one...

""Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door


It was written by a Jewish poet and is inscribed at the base of the Statue of Liberty and has for many years welcomed immigrants to our shore !

I know that one. I was wondering about the long-winded one.

Z

[obxgrampy]

The number of consumers in our country already exceeds the number of producers. We cannot continue on this path and have any hope of sustaining ourselves as a prosperous and viable nation. At some point, a line has to be drawn and the rules must be enforced.

[zcaveman]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I sang it in high school. Are you an American citizen? If so, you should know where it comes from. If not, google will answer your question.

Nothing. All I get is a reference to TOTV and this thread.

Consider me lazy. What is it from?

And yes - I am an American citizen.

Z