[Rags123]

Originally Posted by buggyone

President Obama has the legal authority to write Executive Orders and if Congress cannot agree on viable compromises, the Executive Order is a good way to make sure action is taken.

All Presidents have used Executive Orders.

This thread is not about Executive Orders but immigration reform or lack there of !!! That term was simply used by the sources to describe the action.

Not sure with whom you are discussing this subject !!???

You are getting into politics and that is not allowed on here.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by buggyone

President Obama has the legal authority to write Executive Orders and if Congress cannot agree on viable compromises, the Executive Order is a good way to make sure action is taken.

All Presidents have used Executive Orders.

But Buggy, It seems clear that even the Washington Post is saying that more than half polled favor deportation. It isn't wise to go against public opinion in a Democracy. I think the Washington Post is usually considered to be a paper leaning left?

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by Rags123

This thread is not about Executive Orders but immigration reform or lack there of !!! That term was simply used by the sources to describe the action.

Not sure with whom you are discussing this subject !!???

You are getting into politics and that is not allowed on here.

My post was about immigration reform and a method of accomplishing it. The only thing political was explaining that Executive Orders can legally be used. You might say is is an education lesson but not political by any means.

The discussion is for the forum and not directed at any poster.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

But Buggy, It seems clear that even the Washington Post is saying that more than half polled favor deportation. It isn't wise to go against public opinion in a Democracy. I think the Washington Post is usually considered to be a paper leaning left?

I remember other Presidents who have gone against public opinion such as LBJ and GWBush. I am not agreeing nor disagreeing on deportation but just mentioned that Executive Orders are a legal method of achieving immigration policy.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by buggyone

I remember other Presidents who have gone against public opinion such as LBJ and GWBush. I am not agreeing nor disagreeing on deportation but just mentioned that Executive Orders are a legal method of achieving immigration policy.

As long as E.O. remains Executive Order and not Executive Overreach, eh?

[Chi-Town]

An act of Congress sounds better than executive orders. Hmmm, maybe we should revisit the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Challenger

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Has Lady Liberty's inscription been revoked ?

Who wrote the inscription? I would take out two parts:

1) give me your tired: Why would we want tired people? We want energetic people who are ready to roll up their sleeves and go to work. Tired people will go on welfare.

2) the wretched refuse: This sounds like nothing but trouble. They could be criminals, the lame and those with diseases. More welfare recipients.

Instead, they should add this to the inscription: Give me your law-abiding legal immigrants who are ready to work rather than collect welfare.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Who wrote the inscription? I would take out two parts:

1) give me your tired: Why would we want tired people? We want energetic people who are ready to roll up their sleeves and go to work. Tired people will go on welfare.

2) the wretched refuse: This sounds like nothing but trouble. They could be criminals, the lame and those with diseases. More welfare recipients.

Instead, they should add this to the inscription: Give me your law-abiding legal immigrants who are ready to work rather than collect welfare.

This post is way way out of line and folks have to read a bit of history. This country has a rich history of immigration, but in my opinion, it has to be done the correct way.

If this was meant to be funny, I didnt laugh but apologize for interrupting the fun.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Why is this subject continuing as an argument between those who are right and those who are left?

Well, here is a bit of reading for you.....

This, to me is a beginning albeit a bit late...

" President Barack Obama urged the leaders of three Central American countries on Friday to work with him to stem the flow of child migrants who have surged across the U.S. border and warned that most of them would not be allowed to stay."

However, it is not that simple....

"Obama's drive to tackle the migrant crisis with $3.7 billion in emergency government funds is in trouble because the deeply divided Congress leaves on a month-long recess late next week and is increasingly unlikely to approve the money.

Republicans want Democrats to agree to a change in a 2008 anti-trafficking law to speed deportations before agreeing to a pared-down version of Obama's request. Democrats do not want to speed deportations of children with links to Hispanic-Americans, who are an important Democratic voting bloc."

Obama tells Central American leaders most children will go home | Reuters

It appears from reading tea leaves.......this all stalls and the President grants amnesty to millions by executive order. This gets him his votes and that appears to be the driving force.

If you read earlier in this thread....that 2008 law needing to be fixed was paramount to everybody....even Democrats. THEN

"House Republicans Friday were mulling a border supplemental spending bill that would give President Obama only a fraction of his $3.7 billion request, but a looming fight over a 2008 deportation law now threatens to derail any deal at all.

Democrats were already likely to balk at the small size of the $900 million spending package Republicans are currently mulling. But Democrats have complicated the deal by walking back their initial support for provision in the bill that would make it easier to speed deportations of children back to their homes in Central America."


Democratic reversal on 2008 law playing role in border bill breakdown | WashingtonExaminer.com

I said earlier in this thread and will repeat it as if anyone cared what I think.....but playing for votes in this particular issue is disgusting to me. Are these people, and I speak of both sides of the aisle just in this for the votes ? What ever happened to statesmen ?

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by Rags123

Well, here is a bit of reading for you.....

This, to me is a beginning albeit a bit late...

" President Barack Obama urged the leaders of three Central American countries on Friday to work with him to stem the flow of child migrants who have surged across the U.S. border and warned that most of them would not be allowed to stay."

However, it is not that simple....

"Obama's drive to tackle the migrant crisis with $3.7 billion in emergency government funds is in trouble because the deeply divided Congress leaves on a month-long recess late next week and is increasingly unlikely to approve the money.

Republicans want Democrats to agree to a change in a 2008 anti-trafficking law to speed deportations before agreeing to a pared-down version of Obama's request. Democrats do not want to speed deportations of children with links to Hispanic-Americans, who are an important Democratic voting bloc."

Obama tells Central American leaders most children will go home | Reuters

It appears from reading tea leaves.......this all stalls and the President grants amnesty to millions by executive order. This gets him his votes and that appears to be the driving force.

If you read earlier in this thread....that 2008 law needing to be fixed was paramount to everybody....even Democrats. THEN

"House Republicans Friday were mulling a border supplemental spending bill that would give President Obama only a fraction of his $3.7 billion request, but a looming fight over a 2008 deportation law now threatens to derail any deal at all.

Democrats were already likely to balk at the small size of the $900 million spending package Republicans are currently mulling. But Democrats have complicated the deal by walking back their initial support for provision in the bill that would make it easier to speed deportations of children back to their homes in Central America."


Democratic reversal on 2008 law playing role in border bill breakdown | WashingtonExaminer.com

I said earlier in this thread and will repeat it as if anyone cared what I think.....but playing for votes in this particular issue is disgusting to me. Are these people, and I speak of both sides of the aisle just in this for the votes ? What ever happened to statesmen ?

And all of this jockeying going on while border states are bring overwhelmed. Those states are suffering while the other states argue over what to do. All the while these children that so many claim to concerned about are pawns in this pathetic gamesmanship. This situation benefits no one,.