[NIPAS K-9]

Just try to sneek into another country.. See where you wind up .. Wake up america.............

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

Granada Nicaragua is a very nice city. Spent a few weeks there a couple years ago. Actually, a lot Americans are retiring there.

Sounds like you have a soft spot in your heart for Nicaragua ... correct?

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by NIPAS K-9

Just try to sneek into another country.. See where you wind up .. Wake up america.............

The kind of country that would shoot you or "make you disappear" or incarcerate you in dungeon-like conditions (think Iran) if you tried to sneak into their country is the kind of country you wouldn't want to live in period. You have to take some bad with the good here in the US. If they shot people trying to cross the border or threw them in jail forever, people would be up in arms, and rightly so.

The answer is... build something that will successfully defend the border. Spend the taxpayer's $ on something useful. If they can't get in, they'll stop trying.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Sounds like you have a soft spot in your heart for Nicaragua ... correct?

Google "retirement in Nicaragua" and look at all the positive things that are said by publications including Wall Street Journal.

Personally, I am staying in The Villages but plenty of other retirees are making the move.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Google "retirement in Nicaragua" and look at all the positive things that are said by publications including Wall Street Journal.

Personally, I am staying in The Villages but plenty of other retirees are making the move.

Yes, I did that and am aware of it.

My opinion: if any American wants to retire to the socialist paradise of Nicaragua and bet their futures on the whims of Presidente Daniel Ortega, a hard core Sandinista / Leftie, and who abused his daughter sexually for years, be my guest.

There may also be some great real estate opportunities in Venezuela? Go for it.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by CFrance

The kind of country that would shoot you or "make you disappear" or incarcerate you in dungeon-like conditions (think Iran) if you tried to sneak into their country is the kind of country you wouldn't want to live in period. You have to take some bad with the good here in the US. If they shot people trying to cross the border or threw them in jail forever, people would be up in arms, and rightly so.

The answer is... build something that will successfully defend the border. Spend the taxpayer's $ on something useful. If they can't get in, they'll stop trying.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

Not bad...been suggested many times and rejected. (Unfortunetly not listened to until close to elections)

How about we enforce existing laws while we build that fence ?

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Sounds like you have a soft spot in your heart for Nicaragua ... correct?

Yes, as well as Guatemala, Honduras, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Costa Rica, Mexico, Argentina, Chili, Ecuador, Uruguay, Thailand, China, most of Europe, Canada, Turkey, Greece, Croatia, Slovenia, England, Fiji, Tahiti, and, yes, The Villages!

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by Challenger

If only I had the wisdom of Solomon.!!

Overpopulation in the US, according to demographers does not present a problem whereas the reduced birth rate does.We will not have enough young workers to support medicare and ss in the coming decades. It does not seem that the "too many people" argument works.

Glib, pat answers will not help . Reasoned legislation, enforcement and a bit of tolerance and mercy will. JMveryHO.

No, I do not think that the thoughts in the Lazarus poem have been revoked- just tested.

Interesting point; however, these children don't speak English, many are sick. How do you propose we educate, house, clothe, feed, nurture these children. There are children in this country without many of these advantages, but we are going to give these advantages to those that our breaking our laws?

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Interesting point; however, these children don't speak English, many are sick. How do you propose we educate, house, clothe, feed, nurture these children. There are children in this country without many of these advantages, but we are going to give these advantages to those that our breaking our laws?

I would like to hear from the supporters of the open border, send me your who ever and we will take them in and care for them crowd........why is the situation highlighted above OK?

How can we the people accept our government giving away billions to those who are being brought in illegally while our own needy/poor/in need Americans are not.

There is no outrageby we the people. It is what politicians ocunt on....no response to any adversity at home....plus they get re-elected to boot by the same people.

Too many with no skin in the game so what is done is OK as long as their life style is not affected......YET!

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Interesting point; however, these children don't speak English, many are sick. How do you propose we educate, house, clothe, feed, nurture these children. There are children in this country without many of these advantages, but we are going to give these advantages to those that our breaking our laws?

I would apply a merciful standard of basic humanity to those who were worthy of refugee status-With preference to unacompanied children.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Challenger

I would apply a merciful standard of basic humanity to those who were worthy of refugee status-With preference to unacompanied children.

The reason that this is such an issue is that all of us feel saddened and worried by unaccompanied children. WHO would do this to a child? What horrible game is this?

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The reason that this is such an issue is that all of us feel saddened and worried by unaccompanied children. WHO would do this to a child? What horrible game is this?

If you have been to Tegucigalpa, Honduras, you would understand.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Challenger

I would apply a merciful standard of basic humanity to those who were worthy of refugee status-With preference to unacompanied children.

What you describe was the basis for the law signed by President Bush in 2008, and only applied to those countries who are now flooding our border. Thus, the merciful standard you advocate was done and was put in place in 2008. It required that we insure these kids were in fact not victims.

There was no rush to the border by those countries in 2008, 2009, 2010 or 2011.

Then in 2012 we began to grant amnesty and the floodgates opened. People in those country's pay attention. The promise of amnesty wrapped in that 2008 law started the influx.

You must look at this current situation through that prism to really understand.

[CFrance]

Down through the centuries, there are many parents who sent their children off unaccompanied because they feared for their lives or wanted to secure freedom for them--from people who put children on ships to America, to people who were trying to save their children's lives during World War II, to Cuba, and times in between--and now.

I don't think it's who would do this so much as why do they have to. I'm not saying we have to take them in. But I understand the anguish that would lead a parent to do this.

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by Rags123

What you describe was the basis for the law signed by President Bush in 2008, and only applied to those countries who are now flooding our border. Thus, the merciful standard you advocate was done and was put in place in 2008. It required that we insure these kids were in fact not victims.

There was no rush to the border by those countries in 2008, 2009, 2010 or 2011.

Then in 2012 we began to grant amnesty and the floodgates opened. People in those country's pay attention. The promise of amnesty wrapped in that 2008 law started the influx.

You must look at this current situation through that prism to really understand.

I think you mean proposed amnesty that is still being debated. Probably will not be resolved for another year or more. There was one large scale amnesty in 1986 that gave about 2.8 million illegal immigrants the opportunity to change their status through the Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA).