[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by coalminer

Calm down ,my man. Again deal with reality. Semi auto weapons that can be bought throughtout the country leagally can be easily converted to automatic. Also the gun show loop hole is a glaring example where laws can be effective.

It's not so easy to convert semi-autos to full auto. Besides, it's already illegal to do so. Another example of how LAWS DON'T PREVENT CRIMES! We have a law that makes it illegal to convert a semi-auto to a full auto and this guy broke the law.

Are you suggesting that all semi-automatic guns be banned? Because that would mean about 80% of all guns that exist today.

There is no gun show loophole. It's a myth perpetrated by the left.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by xNYer

The fact is that this guy used a fully automatic weapon which is pretty much illegal to own in this country. I would guess that he procured it through some kind of illegal means.



Nevada is an open-carry state, and automatic weapons are legal there.

Automatic weapons are banned in all states by federal law. Nevada cannot supersede federal law.

[manaboutown]

Turns out he lived in Sun City Mesquite. I wonder if his neighbors noticed him toting large boxes or cases into and out of his house. Last I read he had 19 rifles in his hotel room. More guns have been found in his house.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Automatic weapons are banned in all states by federal law. Nevada cannot supersede federal law.

Sorry, they are not technically banned, but they are heavily regulated and extremely expensive to obtain. They are for all intents and purposes banned.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

That's why I used the term "pretty much" illegal. As you point out, they are extremely difficult and expensive to obtain.

However, the latest news is that he had an AR-15 or several AR-15s that had been converted from semi to fully auto. That makes a lot more sense.

The only solution to this problem is, as you point out, changing society or changing our culture.

I would not believe anything about converting to automatic until the investigation releases it. Those parts are still class 3. And extremely expensive. You can buy a silencer also but that also is class 3. Anything class 3 is highly regulated. You can buy the auto bolt but that does not make it auto. The bolt is also a class 3 device and regulated. Here's something no one will like to here. The age of computer manufacturing is now affordable and can be done in your home. You also do not need to be a mechanical engineer to produce your own weapon. For a few thousand dollars I can make an assault rifle semi-auto or fully auto all with equipment purchased over the internet. With some steal stock and a little prepackaged software and the milling equipment it can be done relatively easily. So how do you legislate that from happening. Its obviously this guy was intent on killing lots of people. We all have opinions on this some based on facts and some on falsie. Today we are upset about what happened in Las Vegas but we ignore the fact that we as a society do not put much value on life. We let the killing fields of Chicago go on and on and we kill millions of unborn children for our personal convenience. Until we change that attitude you can expect this to continue no matter what laws are passed.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Erika

If one were to base legislation on your rationale, we may as well not have any laws as the only ones obeying them would be your so-called "good guys." That is naive and simplistic.

The purpose of laws is to define what is legal and not legal and to punish those convicted of breaking them. Laws do not prevent crimes if people are bent on committing them and are willing to risk being prosecuted and punished.

In the case of the Las Vegas shooter, it appears that he was planning on taking his life so he had nothing to lose. No law was going to stop him. In all probability, the guns he had were illegal or made illegal through an illegal process. None of the laws that he broke stopped this crime from happening.

[Bellaboy]

Smoking? Illegal. Cocaine? Illegal. Semi-automatic weapons? No problem.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Bellaboy

Smoking? Illegal. Cocaine? Illegal. Semi-automatic weapons? No problem.

Add this to the list of selective enforcement issues:

Sneaking into the country without proper documentation or processing? Illegal.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Bellaboy

Smoking? Illegal. Cocaine? Illegal. Semi-automatic weapons? No problem.

Do you understand the difference between a fully automatic gun and a semi-automatic gun?

Almost all guns being carried today are basically semi-automatic. What that means is that each time you pull the trigger a bullet is fired. You don't have to pull a bolt or recock it or take any other action. Although they're not technically in the category, revolvers are basically semi-automatic.

Are you calling for the banning of all guns? You do know that people who want guns would still get them even if they were all banned.

And I would guess that smoking and cocaine kill more people than semi-automatic guns.

[Aloha1]

My heartfelt condolences to all who lost a loved one in Las Vegas. And pride in all those who, without regard for their own life, rushed to aid their fellow Americans without regard to their color or religious belief. Sort of makes the NFL player "protest" look like a temper tantrum.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Do you understand the difference between a fully automatic gun and a semi-automatic gun?

Almost all guns being carried today are basically semi-automatic. What that means is that each time you pull the trigger a bullet is fired. You don't have to pull a bolt or recock it or take any other action. Although they're not technically in the category, revolvers are basically semi-automatic.

Are you calling for the banning of all guns? You do know that people who want guns would still get them even if they were all banned.

[Taltarzac725]

There are hints that these were two machine guns mounted on tripods. How the hell would be get a hold of these and get them into a hotel room?

[Bellaboy]

If I die from cigarettes and cocaine, clearly that's my fault. But if I'm murdered by someone with a gun, whose fault is that?. Non smokers wanted to be safe from the effects of secondhand smoke, I want to be safe from people with guns. I want my grandchildren to be safe at school. Most of the animals are already dead or on the brink of extinction anyway, what're you gonna hunt? Do you realize how this looks to the rest of the civilized world?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Bellaboy

If I die from cigarettes and cocaine, clearly that's my fault. But if I'm murdered by someone with a gun, whose fault is that?. Non smokers wanted to be safe from the effects of secondhand smoke, I want to be safe from people with guns. I want my grandchildren to be safe at school. Most of the animals are already dead or on the brink of extinction anyway, what're you gonna hunt? Do you realize how this looks to the rest of the civilized world?

Cigarettes and cocaine have never saved anyone's life. Guns have.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Turns out he lived in Sun City Mesquite. I wonder if his neighbors noticed him toting large boxes or cases into and out of his house. Last I read he had 19 rifles in his hotel room. More guns have been found in his house.

If it's anything like The Villages, most people have a garage so the neighbors wouldn't have seen anything.