[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Wiotte

nor·mal
ˈnôrməl/Submit
adjective
1.
conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.

Yes, normal. It is expected and will continue...

Nope. Not to me.

Define it as you wish. But as I said, I will never refer to such acts as normal.

[Bonny]

My heart just breaks for those affected by this senseless tragedy. Prayers for them and their family.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by coalminer

Without some kind of gun control , at least to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally disturbed and criminal element, we are going to see more and more of this. It's time to face reality on this subject.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to blame guns and the President.

The fact is that this guy used a fully automatic weapon which is pretty much illegal to own in this country. I would guess that he procured it through some kind of illegal means.

Laws don't prevent crimes. Gun control laws do not prevent people from getting guns illegally. No laws would have prevented this. This man broke many laws. If it were a matter of enacting new laws these things would never happen as bad or sick people will continue to break them.

I guess next it will somehow be President Trump's fault.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

He lived in Mesquite, TX from 1998 until 2010. Then lived in a retirement community in Mesquite, NV. Very strange. He had lived in Reno, as well. The guy moved around...

He lived in Florida for two years within the last five years according to his brother Eric, who lives in Orlando near their mother. Brother also said Marilou Danley was his girlfriend and a nice person. Heard she was out of the country.

I think most of us are trying so hard to make any sense of this.

Breaking news says death toll is now 58, injured 500. What could make a person do this? Prayers for the thousands of people directly affected by this. Impossible to imagine their heartbreak.

[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to blame guns and the President.

The fact is that this guy used a fully automatic weapon which is pretty much illegal to own in this country. I would guess that he procured it through some kind of illegal means.

Laws don't prevent crimes. Gun control laws do not prevent people from getting guns illegally. No laws would have prevented this. This man broke many laws. If it were a matter of enacting new laws these things would never happen as bad or sick people will continue to break them.

I guess next it will somehow be President Trump's fault.

Our prayers go out to all after a horrendous tragedy.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Wiotte

In the absence of a revolutionary cultural change this will continue to be the normal.


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That's pretty much it and I can't imagine how that change could possibly be brought about.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by coalminer

Without some kind of gun control , at least to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally disturbed and criminal element, we are going to see more and more of this. It's time to face reality on this subject.

If Sandy Hook where children were slaughtered didn't change the discussion, this won't either. One of the few actual pieces of legislation that has been passed by this congress and signed by this president was to eliminate a rule to keep weapons out the hands of those deemed incompetent, which would not have prevented this event. But it shows our priorities. For further evidence see the election eve rally of Senator to be Roy Moore of Alabama and the bill working its way thru Congress now to deregulate silencers so shooters can fire and not have their gunshots heard. Big need for that.

[coalminer]

Calm down ,my man. Again deal with reality. Semi auto weapons that can be bought throughtout the country leagally can be easily converted to automatic. Also the gun show loop hole is a glaring example where laws can be effective.

[gummybear223]

I am a retired Las Vegas police officer. I have a friend and former co-worker that was there, working the concert and helped get people to safety. Fortunately, God was protecting him and he was unharmed. I've heard two officers are among the fatalities and at least two more injured, one critically. I can't even process the suffering and grief of everyone involved. Please keep comments of blame for gun control or politics to yourself or your private conversations. The blame for this event lies with the individual and the psychopathy and hate in his heart. Pray for all the victims and their loved ones.

[xNYer]

The fact is that this guy used a fully automatic weapon which is pretty much illegal to own in this country. I would guess that he procured it through some kind of illegal means.



Nevada is an open-carry state, and automatic weapons are legal there.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by gummybear223

I am a retired Las Vegas police officer. I have a friend and former co-worker that was there, working the concert and helped get people to safety. Fortunately, God was protecting him and he was unharmed. I've heard two officers are among the fatalities and at least two more injured, one critically. I can't even process the suffering and grief of everyone involved. Please keep comments of blame for gun control or politics to yourself or your private conversations. The blame for this event lies with the individual and the psychopathy and hate in his heart. Pray for all the victims and their loved ones.

When the next mass death in Europe or here perpetrated by a Muslim happens, will you and others not be correct to mention the underlying factors that made that next event happen? That the ready availability of teaching from radicalizing Islamic websites and persons had a role in the event? And if the President and the Congress cry out for solutions to lessen the likelihood of it happening again, should we not have that discussion? But apparently not this time, when it is a clear situation where if the Brady Law had remained in place and enforced or even strengthened this might not have happened.

This is not a time for prayer from me. Too bad God didn't protect everyone there. It is time again, and again, and again to point out the death grip the gun industry has on our politicians and the resulting deaths that come from poor policy. And today in American another 90 people will die from gunshots. And tomorrow, and the next day. Yes the blame goes to the shooter, but that does not mean there are no changes that can be made to prevent the next man. Fortunately we didn't just say the drunk driver is the cause of his road carnage. We changed the law to make it harder for the next driver to commit the same crime.

Las Vegas gun show 2016

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by xNYer

The fact is that this guy used a fully automatic weapon which is pretty much illegal to own in this country. I would guess that he procured it through some kind of illegal means.



Nevada is an open-carry state, and automatic weapons are legal there.

Well, they are not legal in Mexico but look at the killings down there.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Well, they are not legal in Mexico but look at the killings down there.

Correct me if I am wrong. Are guns legal to own in Chicago? I don't have a gun, but I am glad my neighbors do. If a law were passed to limit ownership of guns, only the good guys would obey the law. THAT is the reality. I think there are two ways to look at things and two ways to vote. What sounds nice and what really happens.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by gummybear223

I am a retired Las Vegas police officer. I have a friend and former co-worker that was there, working the concert and helped get people to safety. Fortunately, God was protecting him and he was unharmed. I've heard two officers are among the fatalities and at least two more injured, one critically. I can't even process the suffering and grief of everyone involved. Please keep comments of blame for gun control or politics to yourself or your private conversations. The blame for this event lies with the individual and the psychopathy and hate in his heart. Pray for all the victims and their loved ones.

Amen. And thank you for your service.

[maureenod]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Correct me if I am wrong. Are guns legal to own in Chicago? I don't have a gun, but I am glad my neighbors do. If a law were passed to limit ownership of guns, only the good guys would obey the law. THAT is the reality. I think there are two ways to look at things and two ways to vote. What sounds nice and what really happens.

We're talking about FULLY AUTOMATIC GUNS ,GRACIE. No one needs one.