[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

100% correct. And if it’s a later ICE model it will have effective pollution control systems. We have a 2015 Mercedes GLA, since new with only 32k miles. It gets avg 30 mpg. Runs great and good size for us. Even tho we drive far less than 10k per year I get the oil changed with the BEST synth on the market Amsoil.

That all said I would love to get a plug-in hybrid or EV. Perhaps the Hyundai plug-in midsize Tucson. Or the EV Ford Mach-E. Those would be my current choices.

But if I put my Financial Advisor hat on, they would say “are you stupid or something’???

I’m not stupid.

Agreed, run a car with high mpg and do not see how the numbers can work.

[biker1]

No, coal is used for about 20% of US electricity production. NG is about 40%. Child labor is mostly associates with cobalt mining. The use of cobalt is dropping. For example, about half of Tesla’s batteries are now LFP. Speaking of Europe, some of the European countries are among the fastest adopters of electric cars.

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

My issue’s are how we get electricity. It’s still 40% coal. So until we move to more renewable or more nuclear it just doesn’t make any sense. All your doing is moving the problem someplace else. And then there is the issue with batteries. Most of the scarce elements are mined by child labor. Then there is the disposal issue, the electric grid issues and the charging issues. IMHO we are a very long way from moving off gasoline. Hydrogen makes a lot more sense if it can be done. We have not even began to see all the environmental issue with batteries.

Perhaps we need more electric trains like Europe has. No batteries and move 100’s of people at a time. We did have the track system but let it fall apart. Still cheaper solution then all the others. Used to have a train station in every small town in America. We could again.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by biker1

Speaking of Europe, some of the European countries are among the fastest adopters of electric cars.

That is understandable. The distances driven are short compared to those in the USA and gasoline and diesel are extremely expensive.

[Spectreron]

I've read all the comments and can only shake my head. So many misconceptions...
EVs are much less expensive per mile driven
A fully charged Tesla holds the energy equivalent of 4 gal. of gasoline but gets 250-300 miles on that charge.
Batteries are already being recycled by Redwood Materials and others. They discharge the batteries in liquid nitrogen, grind them up, recover all the pure minerals and return them to the supply chain. Musk calls it battery mining because you end up with new raw materials.
There are charging stations everywhere, especially Tesla. Waiting in line for a supercharger is very rare. Charging stations are growing many time faster than EVs. Doubling annually.
You can add 200 miles of range in 20 mins at a supercharger or other high speed charger.
A typical 1,000 mile trip takes 2 hrs longer in an EV, providing the gas car just fills up and goes without spending any additional time at the gas station. The EV driver plugs in, pees, grabs a snack, 20 mins later is on the road.
There is so much else that people have heard or read that gives them a false picture. It's coming folks, the Tesla Model Y will be the worlds #1 selling auto in 2023 (ice and EV).
I really don't give a rat's if you buy one or not, just do a little research before you make statements.
Most EVs are a blast to drive, I'm 70+ yrs old and plan to have fun on my way out!

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Spectreron

I've read all the comments and can only shake my head. So many misconceptions...
EVs are much less expensive per mile driven
A fully charged Tesla holds the energy equivalent of 4 gal. of gasoline but gets 250-300 miles on that charge.
Batteries are already being recycled by Redwood Materials and others. They discharge the batteries in liquid nitrogen, grind them up, recover all the pure minerals and return them to the supply chain. Musk calls it battery mining because you end up with new raw materials.
There are charging stations everywhere, especially Tesla. Waiting in line for a supercharger is very rare. Charging stations are growing many time faster than EVs. Doubling annually.
You can add 200 miles of range in 20 mins at a supercharger or other high speed charger.
A typical 1,000 mile trip takes 2 hrs longer in an EV, providing the gas car just fills up and goes without spending any additional time at the gas station. The EV driver plugs in, pees, grabs a snack, 20 mins later is on the road.
There is so much else that people have heard or read that gives them a false picture. It's coming folks, the Tesla Model Y will be the worlds #1 selling auto in 2023 (ice and EV).
I really don't give a rat's if you buy one or not, just do a little research before you make statements.
Most EVs are a blast to drive, I'm 70+ yrs old and plan to have fun on my way out!

With the average price for a new car at $43K, how is the Tesla Model Y, at $70K, going to be the #1 selling car?

Maybe EVs are coming, but since 95 percent of new cars being sold are gasoline cars that are designed to last 20 years or more, I think it will be a long time before electric vehicles are the standard.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

45 years and only one IC engine problem.......quite a record! And I would consider an ECU to be part of the engine, since it is an ENGINE control unit.

Wrong, it’s a piece of plastic with a bunch of computer chips attached to it.

[biker1]

For the vast majority in the US, less miles are driven per day then the range of most EVs so charging is done at night.

Originally Posted by manaboutown

That is understandable. The distances driven are short compared to those in the USA and gasoline and diesel are extremely expensive.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

My issue’s are how we get electricity. It’s still 40% coal. So until we move to more renewable or more nuclear it just doesn’t make any sense. All your doing is moving the problem someplace else. And then there is the issue with batteries. Most of the scarce elements are mined by child labor. Then there is the disposal issue, the electric grid issues and the charging issues. IMHO we are a very long way from moving off gasoline. Hydrogen makes a lot more sense if it can be done. We have not even began to see all the environmental issue with batteries.

Perhaps we need more electric trains like Europe has. No batteries and move 100’s of people at a time. We did have the track system but let it fall apart. Still cheaper solution then all the others. Used to have a train station in every small town in America. We could again.

Trains make a lot of sense to me !

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

100% correct. And if it’s a later ICE model it will have effective pollution control systems. We have a 2015 Mercedes GLA, since new with only 32k miles. It gets avg 30 mpg. Runs great and good size for us. Even tho we drive far less than 10k per year I get the oil changed with the BEST synth on the market Amsoil.

That all said I would love to get a plug-in hybrid or EV. Perhaps the Hyundai plug-in midsize Tucson. Or the EV Ford Mach-E. Those would be my current choices.

But if I put my Financial Advisor hat on, they would say “are you stupid or something’???

I’m not stupid.

Since pollution control systems were mentioned. (Actually, my 1st thought is pollution is a product of excess population. In the 1950s there was no concern about pollution, pollution controls on automobiles, or even Global Warming because the US had about 150 million people..) My next thought was about all the ICE golf carts here in TV Land - and about how clean burning are those vehicles? I would bet that every one of the ICE golf carts they are polluting about as much as 5 newer cars or trucks. And I KNOW THIS.........because I can SMELL them as they go by on a residential street. Sit out and read a book within 15 ft of a residential street and just observe the smell of gasoline after a golf car goes past.

If I were making rules for TV Land, I would give a YEARLY cash bonus of $600 for every residential home that has an Electric golf car and $200 for every E-bike.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Wrong, it’s a piece of plastic with a bunch of computer chips attached to it.

Right!!!!! A piece of plastic that is part of the ENGINE because the engine needs it to run and run smoothly.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Trains make a lot of sense to me !

The American people prefer going at their convenience not based on train schedule.

[Spectreron]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

With the average price for a new car at $43K, how is the Tesla Model Y, at $70K, going to be the #1 selling car?

Maybe EVs are coming, but since 95 percent of new cars being sold are gasoline cars that are designed to last 20 years or more, I think it will be a long time before electric vehicles are the standard.

This is how.
Tesla Model Y is on track to be the world's best-selling car | Electrek

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Since pollution control systems were mentioned. (Actually, my 1st thought is pollution is a product of excess population. In the 1950s there was no concern about pollution, pollution controls on automobiles, or even Global Warming because the US had about 150 million people..) My next thought was about all the ICE golf carts here in TV Land - and about how clean burning are those vehicles? I would bet that every one of the ICE golf carts they are polluting about as much as 5 newer cars or trucks. And I KNOW THIS.........because I can SMELL them as they go by on a residential street. Sit out and read a book within 15 ft of a residential street and just observe the smell of gasoline after a golf car goes past.

If I were making rules for TV Land, I would give a YEARLY cash bonus of $600 for every residential home that has an Electric golf car and $200 for every E-bike.

We have a battery electric cart. For several reasons. I hate to have to hold my breath in tunnels.
I understand they are not for all. So be it. Fine for us. A choice.

And yes. Seldom hear about small 2 cycle engines and their pollution. All the lawn equipment. No pollution controls at all. I also have a batt elec lawn mower and trimmers. I’m not a “Green” guy, but like the convenience of electric tools. No mess with gas or oils etc.

[Brad-tv]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

With the average price for a new car at $43K, how is the Tesla Model Y, at $70K, going to be the #1 selling car?

Maybe EVs are coming, but since 95 percent of new cars being sold are gasoline cars that are designed to last 20 years or more, I think it will be a long time before electric vehicles are the standard.

Design Your Model 3 | Tesla

Think again Tesla model 3 starts at 40,390. A ice vehicle may last 20 years maybe if you drive 15k miles a year and baby it? And what are the odds that you won’t have major repairs and that’s not counting annual maintenance oil changes brakes etc.in 20 years and you hardly use the brakes on a ev , 1 pedal driving.
Tesla has proved many times the batteries can go over 1 million miles and still charge to 95%. Do EVs have bugs to work out absolutely what OEMS don’t? The range keeps going up every year.

I’ve had a ev for almost 2 years now and love driving it every day. Would I buy another one in a heartbeat! Who drives more than 50 miles a day? Not too many Villagers. You can charge to 300 miles and if you go on a road trip and your in such a rush that you don’t want to take a break every 3-4 hours to charge then don’t buy one.

Go test drive a Tesla and you may change your mind unless your mind is already made up and you don’t like EVs anyway.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Spectreron

I've read all the comments and can only shake my head. So many misconceptions...
EVs are much less expensive per mile driven
A fully charged Tesla holds the energy equivalent of 4 gal. of gasoline but gets 250-300 miles on that charge.
Batteries are already being recycled by Redwood Materials and others. They discharge the batteries in liquid nitrogen, grind them up, recover all the pure minerals and return them to the supply chain. Musk calls it battery mining because you end up with new raw materials.
There are charging stations everywhere, especially Tesla. Waiting in line for a supercharger is very rare. Charging stations are growing many time faster than EVs. Doubling annually.
You can add 200 miles of range in 20 mins at a supercharger or other high speed charger.
A typical 1,000 mile trip takes 2 hrs longer in an EV, providing the gas car just fills up and goes without spending any additional time at the gas station. The EV driver plugs in, pees, grabs a snack, 20 mins later is on the road.
There is so much else that people have heard or read that gives them a false picture. It's coming folks, the Tesla Model Y will be the worlds #1 selling auto in 2023 (ice and EV).
I really don't give a rat's if you buy one or not, just do a little research before you make statements.
Most EVs are a blast to drive, I'm 70+ yrs old and plan to have fun on my way out!

Would you please stop shaking your head and explain to all of us how many wind farms, solar farms, dams, etc. can we anticipate devouring the land Americans depend on for food, dwellings and so forth, are required to even begin to supply the vast amounts of electricity that will be necessary for this boondoggle. Also, examine life spans of turbines, solar panels and the debris remaining at the end of their relatively short life spans. Then, how will extreme damage from hurricanes, tornadoes and wild fires to this equipment affect residents of those areas. This is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Welcome to the new world of brown and black outs and will everyone be held to the same standards or will the DC elite get a pass?