[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

See previous post with email. He obviously was 100% correct about the efficacy of masks. And yes, we have used paper masks for decades---TO PROTECT THE PATIENT, NOT OURSELVES!. We use a completely different set of PPE when dealing with something that we could catch, like meningococcus.

And while on the subject, there have been any number of posters that are piling on Tony Fauci like he is the bad guy. To all of you that think that, you have no idea what you are talking about, and I don't care what you read on which conspiracy web site. Do you know him? Have you had dinner with him several times? Have you talked with him for an hour or two? If not, you need to zip it. If you had, you would have a better idea of what Tony is all about.

The bold underlined part is why sometimes your posts about masks frustrates me.

Masks protect people. Even paper masks protect people. You just said so in this post. No, my paper mask is not likely to offer much (if any) significant protection TO me against your germs. But it is very likely to offer much significant protection FROM my germs against you.

If we are both wearing paper masks, and talking to each other, we have twice the thickness of protection between us, which adds even more protection - including SOME protection to me against you, and to you against me.

That's why paper masks have been and continue to be the recommendation for us "commoner" folk. Indoors, inside buildings other than your own, masks will help. They will help a whole lot if everyone is doing it. Less so if only a few are doing it. Not at all if no one is doing it.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And what he stated in that email is 110% correct, both at that time and today. Yes, I know there are still some people who think they are protecting themselves with a mask, for them ignorance is bliss. So just what is the criticism of Fauci that that email was supposed to prove??? I don't see anything at all.

Duh I was responding to a poster who had concocted some fantasy that in early 2020 the CDC etc thought covid was spread only by fomites, implying that "the science" had changed and nobody knew before that covid spread through respitory droplets.

The Fauci email was used to show said fantasizer that Faici CDC etc knew very early in 2020 that the virus was spread through respiration and not just fomites.

Next time try reading carefully before jumping to conclusions. And yes, Fauci was accurate in the email, cloth and surgical masks don't do much at all, as I have always said.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The bold underlined part is why sometimes your posts about masks frustrates me.

Masks protect people. Even paper masks protect people. You just said so in this post. No, my paper mask is not likely to offer much (if any) significant protection TO me against your germs. But it is very likely to offer much significant protection FROM my germs against you.

If we are both wearing paper masks, and talking to each other, we have twice the thickness of protection between us, which adds even more protection - including SOME protection to me against you, and to you against me.

That's why paper masks have been and continue to be the recommendation for us "commoner" folk. Indoors, inside buildings other than your own, masks will help. They will help a whole lot if everyone is doing it. Less so if only a few are doing it. Not at all if no one is doing it.

The post was in response to Fauci's email of 2/20---where he essentially stated that a mask is of little use to protect yourself but much better at protecting others from you. I 110% agree with him. The person who posted that did not understand what Fauci was writing and was trying to use that statement against him, for whatever reason.

Now, universal masking has the benefit of protecting people from each other, although I disagree that having 2 masks increases the protection for the wearer to any extent. But contrary to all the anti-vaxxers that just love to repeat the false claim that vaccinated people can spread the virus just as easily as the unvaccinated---not false because they can't , but false because they do it at a substantially lower rate than the unvaccinated, masks might help to curtail that spread.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

Duh I was responding to a poster who had concocted some fantasy that in early 2020 the CDC etc thought covid was spread only by fomites, implying that "the science" had changed and nobody knew before that covid spread through respitory droplets.

The Fauci email was used to show said fantasizer that Faici CDC etc knew very early in 2020 that the virus was spread through respiration and not just fomites.

Next time try reading carefully before jumping to conclusions. And yes, Fauci was accurate in the email, cloth and surgical masks don't do much at all, as I have always said.

I'm pretty sure I understood the post. I'll admit I only addressed the mask aspect, since it is pretty clear to most medical professionals that coronaviruses are most likely spread by aerosols or go airborne, not by fomites, and Fauci knows that better than almost all of us.

PS: next time you can skip the "duh", I very much doubt it will ever apply to me.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The bold underlined part is why sometimes your posts about masks frustrates me.

Masks protect people. Even paper masks protect people. You just said so in this post. No, my paper mask is not likely to offer much (if any) significant protection TO me against your germs. But it is very likely to offer much significant protection FROM my germs against you.

If we are both wearing paper masks, and talking to each other, we have twice the thickness of protection between us, which adds even more protection - including SOME protection to me against you, and to you against me.

That's why paper masks have been and continue to be the recommendation for us "commoner" folk. Indoors, inside buildings other than your own, masks will help. They will help a whole lot if everyone is doing it. Less so if only a few are doing it. Not at all if no one is doing it.

I suppose some wish the mask to be a mandated future attire. To protect "others" from catching the virus, the Flu, a common cold, etc. Sorry, but I haven't worn my mask since the second week after I received my vaccination.
Like I said before, if that bothers anyone then they can stay home. And I have never had the flu so I do not get the flu shot. So, during flu season and you all wish to wear you masks, go for it. I have no intention of wearing one. If that makes you think that I am bad, then so be it. If I ever feel threatened by a contagious disease, I have a military gas mask that I will wear, not a useless piece of paper or a spare sock.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by ithos

You see that thumbs up symbol at the bottom of the post? That will convey the same message.

But not so EVERYBODY will see it and get the attention one seeks...

[thelegges]

Originally Posted by Carla B

The issue is your post (number 4) left out the pertinent info (family works in health care). Posters can't be expected to know all about posters. Especially when using more than one screen name.

There were 7 poster on TOTV who’s family’s are in healthcare, all but 2 have stopped posting, if you read the original post where exactly would one be exposed to HUNDREDS of people unless in a healthcare facility, or an essential worker. I only have one screen name, I use my real name, how about you.

Originally Posted by kenoc7

They are all covidiots.

It must be hard to read all the posts, before one calls people idiots.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I disagree with the contents of this post. And good luck because a person can not play Russian Roulette forever!

Read all the posts then you can insert foot wherever you feel appropriate. The first post how exactly do you think that people are exposed to hundreds of unvaccinated people during the holidays, unless they were essential workers, cause they choose not to hide in their house like others. Yet they are still working, surviving, thriving. Yes some were lost, but it comes with the territory.

It is so much fun to watch people attack, belittle, call them idiots, or stupid when they really don’t have a clue, or just can’t comprehend a post.

Wishing they could read their OBIT wins the prize.

There are many healthcare workers that wish they could pick and choose who they would like to take care of. But sadly they don’t get that ability to choose.

They take all, including those who wish them dead.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ithos

You see that thumbs up symbol at the bottom of the post? That will convey the same message.

Thanks for that. Someday I might tell, "the rest of the story".

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The bold underlined part is why sometimes your posts about masks frustrates me.

Masks protect people. Even paper masks protect people. You just said so in this post. No, my paper mask is not likely to offer much (if any) significant protection TO me against your germs. But it is very likely to offer much significant protection FROM my germs against you.

If we are both wearing paper masks, and talking to each other, we have twice the thickness of protection between us, which adds even more protection - including SOME protection to me against you, and to you against me.

That's why paper masks have been and continue to be the recommendation for us "commoner" folk. Indoors, inside buildings other than your own, masks will help. They will help a whole lot if everyone is doing it. Less so if only a few are doing it. Not at all if no one is doing it.

I agree with the content of this post.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

The post was in response to Fauci's email of 2/20---where he essentially stated that a mask is of little use to protect yourself but much better at protecting others from you. I 110% agree with him. The person who posted that did not understand what Fauci was writing and was trying to use that statement against him, for whatever reason.

Now, universal masking has the benefit of protecting people from each other, although I disagree that having 2 masks increases the protection for the wearer to any extent. But contrary to all the anti-vaxxers that just love to repeat the false claim that vaccinated people can spread the virus just as easily as the unvaccinated---not false because they can't , but false because they do it at a substantially lower rate than the unvaccinated, masks might help to curtail that spread.

Good post!

[Two Bills]

According to ECDC official figures.

Portugal
One dose vaccinated--98%
Two dose vaccinated--90.2%

COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker | European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

PS. Denmark is actually better, with a 95% first and second vaccination rate.

[Altavia]

For the infectious disease experts here, do other upper respiratory diseases ramp up and back down again as rapidly as CV?

Will this be the new normal for CV?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by MSchad

Don’t understand the division. Vaxed or unvaxed, “science” proves both contract and pass the virus. If you and yours are healthy, enjoy your holidays with your loved ones. If you are sick stay home. Advice we have all followed and passed on for decades.

But that's not the whole story. Yes, if you vaccinated you can still contract and pass the virus. But vaccinated people that contract the virus will have milder symptoms than unvaccinated people.

To your second point, you can have the virus and pass it on even if you have no symptoms. Some people will never have any symptoms and other may have the virus in their system and still be able to pass it on for up to 14 days before they experience symptoms.

The vaccines are designed to limit hospitalizations and deaths. Not to prevent contracting the virus.

Unvaccinated people account for around 98%-99% of all deaths due to Covid-19.

That being said, less than 2% of all Covid cases result in death and less than 20% require hospitalization. Both of those number have been declining since the vaccines were introduced.

I don't tell anyone what to do but those are the number.

As for myself, I believe that the vaccine saved my life.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I cannot fathom how people are STILL posting that lie...

Because rather than LISTEN to what was really said, they will parrot whatever they hear someone in the media that chooses to distort. Proves to us that the media is living rent free in their minds.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

According to ECDC official figures.

Portugal
One dose vaccinated--98%
Two dose vaccinated--90.2%

COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker | European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

PS. Denmark is actually better, with a 95% first and second vaccination rate.

Your own link states Portugal is now at 90% (FULLY VACCINATED). Last I checked, 90% does not equal 98%...

And according to this site...

prortugal vaccination rate - Google Search

84.7% fully vaccinated as of 10/5...

And Denmark? 85.6%

Denmark: the latest coronavirus counts, charts and maps