[rubicon]

The simple answer is that those charged with containing this deadliest of deadly diseases have both past and present failed to show they are competent and hence the public at large just does not trust them.

"In 1948 the United Nations chartered the World Health Organization (WHO) granting it authority for directing internal health work.

Over 30 years it has shown a deteoriation for dealing with epidemics and on 4 occasions failed to deal effectively with major outbreaks.

In 1980 WHO underestimated the AIDS/HIV outbreak which prompted the UN in 1994 to create Joint UN Program on AIDS/HIV (Unaids)

In 2009 WHO was slow to respond to the H1N1 flu pandemic. an investigative panel in 2011 slammed WHO for lack of transparency, poor external communication, management conflicts and needlessly complex.

In 2010 WHO failures in dealing with Haiti's cholera out break that spread so fast because of bureaucratic bungling it reached Dominican Republic, Cuba and Mexico.

WHO today is dealing with Ebola which has spread to seven countries, a disease which was discovered in 1972 and where Dr. Piot founder of Unaid blames WHO's regional office in Africa calling it incompetent............WSJ 10/22/14"

As a side bar Ebola Czar Klain was the PR guy who instructed VP Joe Biden during the H1N1 scare to strongly emphasis to the public not to travel which about shut the entire world down and that the White House had to walk back.

If you note much of the news about Ebola is what the experts are doing or not doing and not the disease itself.

I opine other can decide

[NotGolfer]

Have you ever seen the movie "Wag The Dog"?? It's a comedy but think they really used a 'grain of truth' in it. Diversions, diversions, diversions!!

[sunnyatlast]

It's what Rubicon posted......plus:

"A statesman is concerned about the next generation, while a politician is concerned with the next election."

[Villages PL]

I think this is becoming an unhealthy obsession for some people who are in a panic.

Isn't it about time to look at the positive side of this issue? Nigeria was declared Ebola-free on Monday.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I think this is becoming an unhealthy obsession for some people who are in a panic.



Isn't it about time to look at the positive side of this issue? Nigeria was declared Ebola-free on Monday.

Which organization made this pronouncement? I believe WHO. Go back a few posts and read all the issues WHO has had. I believe them...Not!

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by rubicon

The simple answer is that those charged with containing this deadliest of deadly diseases have both past and present failed to show they are competent and hence the public at large just does not trust them.



"In 1948 the United Nations chartered the World Health Organization (WHO) granting it authority for directing internal health work.



Over 30 years it has shown a deteoriation for dealing with epidemics and on 4 occasions failed to deal effectively with major outbreaks.



In 1980 WHO underestimated the AIDS/HIV outbreak which prompted the UN in 1994 to create Joint UN Program on AIDS/HIV (Unaids)



In 2009 WHO was slow to respond to the H1N1 flu pandemic. an investigative panel in 2011 slammed WHO for lack of transparency, poor external communication, management conflicts and needlessly complex.



In 2010 WHO failures in dealing with Haiti's cholera out break that spread so fast because of bureaucratic bungling it reached Dominican Republic, Cuba and Mexico.



WHO today is dealing with Ebola which has spread to seven countries, a disease which was discovered in 1972 and where Dr. Piot founder of Unaid blames WHO's regional office in Africa calling it incompetent............WSJ 10/22/14"



As a side bar Ebola Czar Klain was the PR guy who instructed VP Joe Biden during the H1N1 scare to strongly emphasis to the public not to travel which about shut the entire world down and that the White House had to walk back.



If you note much of the news about Ebola is what the experts are doing or not doing and not the disease itself.



I opine other can decide

Great post Rubicon. And right on point.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

It's what Rubicon posted......plus:

"A statesman is concerned about the next generation, while a politician is concerned with the next election."

100% on target!

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I think this is becoming an unhealthy obsession for some people who are in a panic.

Isn't it about time to look at the positive side of this issue? Nigeria was declared Ebola-free on Monday.

That is in Nigeria where our leadership has had no hand in it. Congratulations to what the Nigerians accomplished.

It is a different story here in the USA. There is no consistency...there is no plan...there is no leadership...unlike Nigeria everything to do with ebola here at home is politically driven. The politicians only objective is re-election....NOTHING else!

[janmcn]

The irony of this whole Ebola situation is that the same people that want government out of their business are the ones that are now asking every government agency known to man to now come in and rescue them. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Take responsibility for yourself.

Stay off of airplanes. The plane you may be boarding in Orlando, or New York, or Chicago might have been carrying passengers from Western Africa yesterday.

Stay off of cruise ships. Cruises are notorious for having infections.

Stay out of hospitals, nursing homes, or any medical facility including doctor's offices. Any place where sick people congregate is where germs abide.

Stay away from crowds.

Stay out of public swimming pools. These have more than their share of bodily fluids...enough said.

A little common sense can go a long way.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by janmcn

The irony of this whole Ebola situation is that the same people that want government out of their business are the ones that are now asking every government agency known to man to now come in and rescue them. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Take responsibility for yourself.

Stay off of airplanes. The plane you may be boarding in Orlando, or New York, or Chicago might have been carrying passengers from Western Africa yesterday.

Stay off of cruise ships. Cruises are notorious for having infections.

Stay out of hospitals, nursing homes, or any medical facility including doctor's offices. Any place where sick people congregate is where germs abide.

Stay away from crowds.

Stay out of public swimming pools. These have more than their share of bodily fluids...enough said.

A little common sense can go a long way.

You are correct: One should take responsibility for oneself. Unfortunately, many have been taught that personal responsibility only applies when it serves to protect the junk food industry.

Death by heart disease: One every 35 seconds

Death by cancer: One every 56 seconds

Every six minutes one American dies in a hospital from a medical error or lethal infection.

Death by traffic accident: One every 12 minutes

Poisoning: One every 27 minutes

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by janmcn

The irony of this whole Ebola situation is that the same people that want government out of their business are the ones that are now asking every government agency known to man to now come in and rescue them. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Take responsibility for yourself.

Stay off of airplanes. The plane you may be boarding in Orlando, or New York, or Chicago might have been carrying passengers from Western Africa yesterday.

Stay off of cruise ships. Cruises are notorious for having infections.

Stay out of hospitals, nursing homes, or any medical facility including doctor's offices. Any place where sick people congregate is where germs abide.

Stay away from crowds.

Stay out of public swimming pools. These have more than their share of bodily fluids...enough said.

A little common sense can go a long way.

Really? How would we get our groceries?

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Really? How would we get our groceries?

Either go at 7:00am when the stores are empty or use a home delivery system.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Really? How would we get our groceries?

You can go the the grocery store and the risk is minimal. The point is, if you are worried about it, stay away from crowds as much as possible and stay away from places where sick people congregate. At this stage I wouldn't worry. And, if by chance things got a lot worse, people could wear some form of protection, or not.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by janmcn

The irony of this whole Ebola situation is that the same people that want government out of their business are the ones that are now asking every government agency known to man to now come in and rescue them. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Take responsibility for yourself.

Stay off of airplanes. The plane you may be boarding in Orlando, or New York, or Chicago might have been carrying passengers from Western Africa yesterday.

Stay off of cruise ships. Cruises are notorious for having infections.

Stay out of hospitals, nursing homes, or any medical facility including doctor's offices. Any place where sick people congregate is where germs abide.

Stay away from crowds.

Stay out of public swimming pools. These have more than their share of bodily fluids...enough said.

A little common sense can go a long way.

Bull. It's not about us who don't have to fly.

Our young military men and women have to fly on commercial flights when going to and from furlough.

All the pilots, flight engineers, flight attendants, baggage handlers, gate workers, etc. have to be on board the planes and in their ground positions.

The airport janitorial staff have to handle and breathe near soiled Kleenex, paper towels, soiled menstrual pads, etc., and so do the garbage collectors and haulers.

The TSA have to touch and breathe next to sweaty people and their belongings just gripped by people wiping their runny noses with their hands or who are emptying their pockets of their soiled handkerchiefs or tissues.

The nurses, technicians, doctors, firemen, and paramedics have to be on duty on the front line where infected people come first when they're vomiting, have diahrrea, etc.

The hospital housekeeping and laundry staff have to be in place to change soiled bed linens, haul the bins to the laundry, empty the bins and do the laundry.

Cafeteria workers have to handle and dispose of napkins people spit into and blow their noses on, and leave on the tray or cafeteria table!

And then possibly exposed, they go home to their families and nurses like the ones from Cleveland Clinic go back to work with their already sick patients who often are immune compromised.

Etc etc etc etc etc

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by billethkid

100% on target!



That is in Nigeria where our leadership has had no hand in it. Congratulations to what the Nigerians accomplished.

It is a different story here in the USA. There is no consistency...there is no plan...there is no leadership...unlike Nigeria everything to do with ebola here at home is politically driven. The politicians only objective is re-election....NOTHING else!

Nigeria has quite a history, amazing leadership may not be part of it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13951696

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Bull. It's not about us who don't have to fly.

Our young military men and women have to fly on commercial flights when going to and from furlough.

All the pilots, flight engineers, flight attendants, baggage handlers, gate workers, etc. have to be on board the planes and in their ground positions.

The airport janitorial staff have to handle and breathe near soiled Kleenex, paper towels, soiled menstrual pads, etc., and so do the garbage collectors and haulers.

The TSA have to touch and breathe next to sweaty people and their belongings just gripped by people wiping their runny noses with their hands or who are emptying their pockets of their soiled handkerchiefs or tissues.

The nurses, technicians, doctors, firemen, and paramedics have to be on duty on the front line where infected people come first when they're vomiting, have diahrrea, etc.

The hospital housekeeping and laundry staff have to be in place to change soiled bed linens, haul the bins to the laundry, empty the bins and do the laundry.

Cafeteria workers have to handle and dispose of napkins people spit into and blow their noses on, and leave on the tray or cafeteria table!

Etc etc etc etc etc

My post reflected what retired residents of The Villages can do to stay safe, not everybody in the world. I should have been more specific.