[Rags123]

Originally Posted by janmcn

My point is these police officers are being hunted down like animals by deranged individuals. It doesn't matter what the color of their skin is.

NOT in New York....the skin color was the entire basis of the killings. IT WAS THE REASON ! Unless the killer lied but he made it clear the motive and it was skin color. I think he used the terms "them" and "us" to designate it.....ACTUALLY

"They take 1 of ours, let's take 2 of theirs," AND was very specific about who he was referring to

What did you think the motive for this was ????

[dplars]

My point is that leaders set the tone of events, either positive or negatively and the results are evident.

[Rags123]

Personally, after reading some of the questions that "appear" to be trying to steer the murder of two police in NY from the recent happenings in NYC and Ferguson.

I have NO doubt that the murderer and future killers and there will be more, are nut cases with records who were not involved in the recent demonstrations all over the country or the burning of Ferguson MO.

HOWEVER, the atmosphere that has been created in this country since the incident in Ferguson is poison and anyone looking for an excuse will use this atmosphere to kill. Those leaders who have been inciting people to demonstrate, not talk, demonstrate. And those who did not condemn any of the actions of those attacking police in New York during the demonstrations. Those who have been talking and quoting WELL BEFORE ANY EVIDENCE OR FACTS WERE KNOWN have poisoned the well so to speak.

So, the fact that these killers are not "directly" associated with this means nothing to me nor most sane people. To have people saying that the NYPD over reacted today just galled me to no end.

Thus, the environment of all negative and no positive exists now. It will not go away anytime soon and that is a shame. I recall Dr King believing in the rule of law......the new leaders appear not to. If they did, they would have waited until they had all the facts before destroying a city and so it goes.

[Buffalo Jim]

Check out Mr. Sharpton`s Bio . I say Mr. Sharpton because from what I can determine he never completed Divinity School or College . It appears that he attended for about 1 year or less but never completed his studies
Try to determine which Denomination actually installed him as a Reverend . I`ve spent some time checking and double checking . I can not help but come to the conclusion that he is a " self-appointed / self-proclaimed " Rev .
Plus he has had a very long history with IRS problems . Why does any major news outlet give this guy any air-time ?

[redwitch]

I've tried to respond to this post three times now. To murder any human is wrong. To murder a human because they have a certain job is obscene. I hope no one is making these cowards out to be heroes. At best, they are delusional young men trying to make a statement in all the wrong ways. At worst, they are cowardly animals who deserve the derision of their entire community.

I do understand the need for demonstrations and marches. I do not understand the need for rioting, the need to destroy, the desire to hurt. I agree with so little that Sharpton says. He is someone I would like to see with duct tape permanently slapped across his mouth.

I sincerely hope and pray that some honest dialogue comes out of all of this pain. Young men should not be harassed because of their skin color. Police officers deserve to be shown respect for their willingness to sacrifice themselves for civilians.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I've tried to respond to this post three times now. To murder any human is wrong. To murder a human because they have a certain job is obscene. I hope no one is making these cowards out to be heroes. At best, they are delusional young men trying to make a statement in all the wrong ways. At worst, they are cowardly animals who deserve the derision of their entire community.

I do understand the need for demonstrations and marches. I do not understand the need for rioting, the need to destroy, the desire to hurt. I agree with so little that Sharpton says. He is someone I would like to see with duct tape permanently slapped across his mouth.

I sincerely hope and pray that some honest dialogue comes out of all of this pain. Young men should not be harassed because of their skin color. Police officers deserve to be shown respect for their willingness to sacrifice themselves for civilians.

I would love to see that honest dialogue, but I am afraid it is too late. While two white officers were NOT indicted, a few months ago, all white police officers were publicly indicted and have been continually indicted almost daily.

The environment that set will not simply dissolve away with a meeting or two.

WORDS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. There are many who hear these daily indictments and take them to heart.

Suggest if you want disgusting things, you should read some of the articles on the tweets being sent out, making heros of all the criminals and lauding these killings. I was going to cut and paste and post some of them, but they are truely disgusting and on each you can see the amount of times they are being retweeted......no, I hope you are right, but this environment set in Ferguson with no facts is now out of control.

As I said, already the leaders of the march's and demonstrations are lamenting that this might put a crimp in their plans. They have not even buried the two policemen yet.

Since you mentioned Sharpton, I just wanted to add this PS. I never respected this man for so many reasons, but today he tried to make this all about HIM again, playing a message he received which was a threat and lamenting his need to update his protection. Did anyone even hear on the news at anytime about the 100's of threats made to Officer Wilson even before anyone even knew fact one.

And add this....heard David Gergen ask on TV late this afternoon "With all the progress we have made, how did we get to this point?" My response is...look at the last 3 to 4 months and what EVERYBOY said..nothing positive...nothing supportiv...and WORDS HAVE CONSEQUENCES

This country was founded as and has been a country of LAWS. Dr Martin Luther King understood that.

[graciegirl]

To me, Law Enforcement Officers are the good guys, hired and dedicated to catching the bad guys.


Eric Garner and Michael Brown were breaking the law.
Eric Garner and Michael Brown were breaking the law.
Eric Garner and Michael Brown were breaking the law.

If they had followed directions, If they had stayed inside the law, they would be alive today.

If our leaders had stood up in complete support of law enforcement, the climate of hatred we now have would not have gone out of control.

The only line of defense we have in this country against chaos are our law enforcement people.

And now a whole bunch of angry people feel they are justified to hate police officers. They would have been better counseled to not break the law and to respect law enforcement. Inappropriate sympathy for their troubles by our national leaders is not working here.

More wrongs don't make anything right.

[ugotme]

Geez, I wonder,

WHERE IS SHARPTON NOW????


Sorry - had to !

[JGVillages]

Went to the Green Bay / Tampa Bay game today with our son, a Bradenton police officer. As much as we wanted the day to be about the game and holiday season discussion regarding the NY and Tarpon Springs ambushes could not be avoided. We need, as I believe the majority of law abiding Americans of ALL RACES do, to stand up to this minority (a quantity/not race) and support the law. That means when an officer asks you to stop, get on your knees, etc., you DO IT and sort out your innocence or guilt later. Both of the young men in Ferguson and NY would still be with us if they obeyed their initial police contact.

[Jdmiata]

Just "googled" this............there have been almost 50 police killed by gunfire in the line of duty this year.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by JGVillages

Went to the Green Bay / Tampa Bay game today with our son, a Bradenton police officer. As much as we wanted the day to be about the game and holiday season discussion regarding the NY and Tarpon Springs ambushes could not be avoided. We need, as I believe the majority of law abiding Americans of ALL RACES do, to stand up to this minority (a quantity/not race) and support the law. That means when an officer asks you to stop, get on your knees, etc., you DO IT and sort out your innocence or guilt later. Both of the young men in Ferguson and NY would still be with us if they obeyed their initial police contact.

The problem is if you're doing something so wrong that you are told to get on your knees, you probably aren't the type of person who has any respect for the law to begin with.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I've tried to respond to this post three times now. To murder any human is wrong. To murder a human because they have a certain job is obscene. I hope no one is making these cowards out to be heroes. At best, they are delusional young men trying to make a statement in all the wrong ways. At worst, they are cowardly animals who deserve the derision of their entire community.

I do understand the need for demonstrations and marches. I do not understand the need for rioting, the need to destroy, the desire to hurt. I agree with so little that Sharpton says. He is someone I would like to see with duct tape permanently slapped across his mouth.

I sincerely hope and pray that some honest dialogue comes out of all of this pain. Young men should not be harassed because of their skin color. Police officers deserve to be shown respect for their willingness to sacrifice themselves for civilians.

Thanks for your usual common sense filled, logical and practical point of view.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I've tried to respond to this post three times now. To murder any human is wrong. To murder a human because they have a certain job is obscene. I hope no one is making these cowards out to be heroes. At best, they are delusional young men trying to make a statement in all the wrong ways. At worst, they are cowardly animals who deserve the derision of their entire community.

I do understand the need for demonstrations and marches. I do not understand the need for rioting, the need to destroy, the desire to hurt. I agree with so little that Sharpton says. He is someone I would like to see with duct tape permanently slapped across his mouth.

I sincerely hope and pray that some honest dialogue comes out of all of this pain. Young men should not be harassed because of their skin color. Police officers deserve to be shown respect for their willingness to sacrifice themselves for civilians.

If I were a moderator (which I'm not), I would say that this post says everything that needs to be said perfectly, and close the thread!

You are one smart cookie, Dee.

[Villages PL]

It's very emotionally satisfying to make assumptions and then let off steam, but I think it may be too early for that because we don't have all the facts yet.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I've tried to respond to this post three times now. To murder any human is wrong. To murder a human because they have a certain job is obscene. I hope no one is making these cowards out to be heroes. At best, they are delusional young men trying to make a statement in all the wrong ways. At worst, they are cowardly animals who deserve the derision of their entire community.

I do understand the need for demonstrations and marches. I do not understand the need for rioting, the need to destroy, the desire to hurt. I agree with so little that Sharpton says. He is someone I would like to see with duct tape permanently slapped across his mouth.

I sincerely hope and pray that some honest dialogue comes out of all of this pain. Young men should not be harassed because of their skin color. Police officers deserve to be shown respect for their willingness to sacrifice themselves for civilians.

Originally Posted by CFrance

If I were a moderator (which I'm not), I would say that this post says everything that needs to be said perfectly, and close the thread!

You are one smart cookie, Dee.

I don't think this is all wrapped up and put away in a file or closed thread, yet. I think it needs to be said that:

Sharpton should not only be slapped across the mouth, but also slapped with PRISON sentencing and completion, too!! And he should not have been allowed 93 White House visits as such a perpetrator, either.

"According to The New York Times, Sharpton and his for-profit businesses owe $4.5 million in state and federal taxes as of November 2014.[122]
(Wikipedia)

He has NO credibility while owing millions in tax debts WHILE throwing gasoline on the fire of everything from Tawanna Brawley to Treyvon Martin to (video recorded grand larceny and strong arm robbery perpetrator in convenience store) Michael Brown to Garner who resisted arrest when other MINORITY business owners called police on his constant law-breaking and menacing at their businesses.