[Taltarzac725]

My younger brother is married to a rather dark woman from Jamaica. She has a very thick accent when angry but speaks without much of an accent when calm. He is white and of mainly German/Irish/Scotch/English descent. They would get looks here in the Villages from both whites and blacks about their mixed marriage. Their son would also often point at his skin and say something like it is only skin deep. This was only a few years ago when he said it and he was about 5 at that time. So racism goes on. It comes from both races though.

I remember that some of the most racist people I have ever met were an African American at the University of Minnesota Law School I had stupidly befriended before I got wind of what he was really like. Earlier in my academic career there was a prince from one of the West African countries attending the University of Nevada, Reno who was in my Minorities in America Anthropology class. He believed that all the African Americans were inferior to those who had stayed in Africa.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

My younger brother is married to a rather dark woman from Jamaica. She has a very thick accent when angry but speaks without much of an accent when calm. He is white and of mainly German/Irish/Scotch/English descent. They would get looks here in the Villages from both whites and blacks about their mixed marriage. Their son would also often point at his skin and say something like it is only skin deep. This was only a few years ago when he said it and he was about 5 at that time. So racism goes on.

Just to be startling and crystal CLEAR.

I have not read ONE SINGLE POST on this forum....NOT A SINGLE SOLITARY ONE that even implied that racism did not exist. NOT ONE

And this highlights the problem in having any kind of discussion. EVERYTHING is generalized.....we all have black friends who suffered racism...what part of that is not clear ?

In this case, a young boy was killed. The police WERE doing their job and had actually or nearly had come to the same conclusion as the jury eventually did.

It was hijacked from them and USED.....why is nobody angry at those who did that ?

Sharpton, Jackson, The Black Panthers do NOTHING until they can get themselves on TV. Why is racial divide reserved for such media affairs ? We deal with and move forward individually and allow this to divide us even further instead of allowing forward progress.

Yep..there is bias...yep..there is racism...it has always existed toward groups and always will.

This was not....is not a case to pursue for justice. Nobody on here knows for sure whether Zimmerman was a fat, racist with a gun looking for trouble OR whether Martin was out alone smoking pot looking for trouble.

Why do we allow these media host, politicians, etc. stir us up ?

[zonerboy]

Why can't we judge the article by what it has to say, the perspectives it presents, the ideas it expresses, instead of by who wrote it ?
Professional writer or not, what difference does it make?
Are his points sound? If you think not, then state why you think they are lacking. Sound reasoning will shine through despite mediocre writing skills.
This article appears to have been written before the jury verdict was in. It does not discuss wether or not Zimmerman was guilty of second degree murder. It does not argue who threw the first punch. It deals with deeper, more fundamental issues.

[jebartle]

I will repeat that the dispatch (thru no-fault of his own) asked GZ if "He could see where the suspect was going", I know, I know, he had no business getting out of his car, BUT GZ took that as an invitation to SEE where suspect was going, when told NOT to follow, he was returning to his car when altercation took place!

[57ChevyFI]

George Zimmerman NATIONAL news. These people not so much

Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom
Kelly L. Hunnewell
Autumn Pasquale

[Gerald]

the law has spoken . It is time to accept the ruling and move on. Many will still use it as an excuse to cause trouble. To make a profit. We have been there before.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by zonerboy

Why can't we judge the article by what it has to say, the perspectives it presents, the ideas it expresses, instead of by who wrote it ?
Professional writer or not, what difference does it make?
Are his points sound? If you think not, then state why you think they are lacking. Sound reasoning will shine through despite mediocre writing skills.
This article appears to have been written before the jury verdict was in. It does not discuss wether or not Zimmerman was guilty of second degree murder. It does not argue who threw the first punch. It deals with deeper, more fundamental issues.

1. If the intent is to embarass me in some way, it aint gonna happen.

2. IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.....first of all TOTV rules do not allow a post to be entirely someone elses "work". The OP never once made a comment or allowed why it was posted...WHAT POINT TO BE MADE ?????

3. I took this as a flamer post...no personal thoughts....a lifted piece of literary and then leave. Set on emotions and no personal thoughts.

And by the way...the headline was ZIMMERMAN so it was about the ZIMMERMAN trial with no valid points being made.

Every post I have made on here as allowed for me understanding but not tolerant of flamers or plagerizers or anything close.

[angiefox10]

Originally Posted by Bucco

1. If the intent is to embarass me in some way, it aint gonna happen.

2. IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.....first of all TOTV rules do not allow a post to be entirely someone elses "work". The OP never once made a comment or allowed why it was posted...WHAT POINT TO BE MADE ?????

3. I took this as a flamer post...no personal thoughts....a lifted piece of literary and then leave. Set on emotions and no personal thoughts.

And by the way...the headline was ZIMMERMAN so it was about the ZIMMERMAN trial with no valid points being made.

Every post I have made on here as allowed for me understanding but not tolerant of flamers or plagerizers or anything close.

Nope... There are quotes around the words and a link the the post. No plagiarism here.

No... I didn't give my opinion. The is a post about what it's like to be black... I don't know what it's like to be black. It made me think and I took something away from it as did everyone who read it. We all read it differently and got something different out of it.

Often times we all post items without comments... for conversation. This is no different. I can't comment on the trial as I didn't watch the trial. As I said... this is about being black in America.

Written by a "writer" who just happens to be black.

This has made me google many of the comments made on this thread and I'm learning.

Now... I will comment did you know..... "public records show that Zimmerman was arrested in Orange County in 2005 on charges of resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer."?

From some of the comments here... I looked up his mugshots.... there are several. I find that interesting.... Does anyone else?

[BobnBev]

I thought the picture of the White girl with the Skittles was......well, nevermind

[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by angiefox10

Nope... There are quotes around the words and a link the the post. No plagiarism here.

No... I didn't give my opinion. The is a post about what it's like to be black... I don't know what it's like to be black. It made me think and I took something away from it as did everyone who read it. We all read it differently and got something different out of it.

Often times we all post items without comments... for conversation. This is no different. I can't comment on the trial as I didn't watch the trial. As I said... this is about being black in America.

Written by a "writer" who just happens to be black.

This has made me google many of the comments made on this thread and I'm learning.

Now... I will comment did you know..... "public records show that Zimmerman was arrested in Orange County in 2005 on charges of resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer."?

From some of the comments here... I looked up his mugshots.... there are several. I find that interesting.... Does anyone else?

And he paid a $46 fine.......bigger fine if you're speeding in a golf cart

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by Bucco

1. If the intent is to embarass me in some way, it aint gonna happen.

2. IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.....first of all TOTV rules do not allow a post to be entirely someone elses "work". The OP never once made a comment or allowed why it was posted...WHAT POINT TO BE MADE ?????

3. I took this as a flamer post...no personal thoughts....a lifted piece of literary and then leave. Set on emotions and no personal thoughts.

And by the way...the headline was ZIMMERMAN so it was about the ZIMMERMAN trial with no valid points being made.

Every post I have made on here as allowed for me understanding but not tolerant of flamers or plagerizers or anything close.

I really hate to agree with Bucco on anything, but he is entirely right on this issue.

The piece was intended just to irritate or inflame others into posting. That is not the intent of this forum.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by buggyone

I really hate to agree with Bucco on anything, but he is entirely right on this issue.

The piece was intended just to irritate or inflame others into posting. That is not the intent of this forum.

Thank you Buggy...we may disagee on many things but I think we both recognize a flamer and a thread meant to start trouble and nothing else.

And of course I got sucked in...shame on me. I am usually able to ignore people like this !!!

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by angiefox10

"My brother is a tall, skinny, black kid with an athletic build who frequently wears a hoodie, often with his ear buds in. Sometimes he does this in a beautiful cul-de-sac community where he does not live, but my relatives in Delaware do, where all the houses look the same and there are only a few streets. All the backyards connect without fencing, and sometimes he’ll go for a walk down the street, or through the grass, sometimes at night, oblivious to who may be seeing him, wondering what he’s up to, while he's ignorantly and blissfully listening A$AP Rocky.


He is Trayvon Martin.


And as I’ve read and watched and discussed this case to anyone foolish enough to get me started on the topic, and although I, like many people, have occasionally been frustrated by the ways in which the media has characterized this case (George Zimmerman’s race, in my personal opinion, is irrelevant), the witnesses (like Rachel Jeantel, who has been beaten up on by not only the conservative media, but also the black community, the Twitter citizenry, and the defense and prosecution lawyers, even when they’ve tried to show her deference), the importance of the verdict (which, in my personal opinion, is irrelevant) and the potential of race riots after it is delivered (which, in my personal opinion, is irrelevant), I am almost embarrassed to admit how amazingly personal this case is to me as black man who will someday have black children.


That is because my brother is Trayvon Martin, and my future children are Trayvon Martin.


The indisputable facts of this case: George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch coordinator with a license to carry a concealed weapon, was accustomed to being on red alert after a series of burglaries by young black males who plagued his gated community. On the rainy evening of February 26, 2012, Zimmerman saw a potential perp -- a young black male with a hoodie who was talking through his ear buds to a friend on the phone -- and Zimmerman called the police as he had done half a dozen times before in the weeks before the incident.


Instead of remaining in his car, he got out and followed the teenager, even though police told him that an officer was on the way and they didn’t “need” him to do that. The teenager continued to travel away from Zimmerman, who continued after him. Eventually there was a confrontation, a fight, and the teenager, Trayvon Martin, was shot by a single bullet through his heart. Zimmerman has maintained that Martin was beating him up violently against the concrete, and that the killing was in self-defense.


And, believe it or not, the fact that Zimmerman can even claim self-defense, or the fact that anyone, regardless of race, can claim self-defense in a situation even tangentially resembling this one, is the most disturbing and terrifying aspect to me.


Defenders of George Zimmerman say, he had a reasonable reason to identify and suspect Trayvon Martin considering the recent burglaries. Getting out of his car wasn’t illegal, nor was ignoring the suggestion of the police dispatcher! Certainly nothing is wrong with asking someone, “What are you doing around here?,” and if, at any given moment, he had a reasonable fear for his life, then he had a legal right and responsibility to protect himself.


I have walked into restaurants and rest stop bathrooms where I have instantly been aware of my blackness, only because everyone else around me is. I have walked into places where people have literally whispered and pointed, without even the slightest bit of shame or covertness, to their companions at me, the lone black person in the establishment. I have had relationships dissolve because of parents who were “concerned” about what people might say about the black guy.


Me. The Old Navy cargo shorts and silly t-shirt rocking, flip-flops all day, every day, during the summer wearing, me. On the Cosby scale, I’m about six shades darker than Lisa Bonet and six shades lighter than Malcolm Jamal Warner. I’m Mr. I-wrote-a-book-on-Pee-wee-Herman-and-frequently-listen-to-the-Spice-Girls-and-the-only-hoodies-I-own-advertise-either-the-college-I-attended-or-the-musical-theater-show-I’m-directing-at-my-full-time-job.


But, you see, I’m Trayvon Martin. And if you’re a black male, regardless of your age, your height, your weight, how dark your skin is, what you’re wearing, and what you’re listening to on the device in your pocket, someone somewhere is seeing you as Trayvon Martin.


Even if you’re carrying a package of Skittles and an Arizona iced tea, just trying to continue your phone call and get to your father’s house to watch the NBA All-Star game with your little half-brother, you are Trayvon Martin.


And nice people who know me personally, hopefully, will shake their heads in confusion at this and will say, “Well, that isn’t fair! If they only knew you, no one would ever be afraid of you.” And, of course, that’s the point and the problem. Because if I can cause someone to feel nervous, concerned, or uncomfortable while they’re eating in a restaurant, then it doesn’t require a leap of faith to understand why George Zimmerman assumed that the teenager walking around his neighborhood was a threat.


But what I think is equally disturbing is that I can understand, and by extension, at least to some extent, accept the decision of George Zimmerman to notice Trayvon Martin and make that 911 call in the first place.


When I walk into a convenience store late at night, especially if I’m the only person there besides the employee, I’m amazingly aware of how my presence might make him or her feel uncomfortable. I consciously try to smile and look pleasant. Sometimes I even go so far as to have my debit card in my hand before I reach the counter so I don’t have to reach in my pocket and run the risk of causing any alarms – literal or figurative. When stopped by a cop (which, especially when I was a teenager, would happen all the time), I sat patiently with my hands on the wheel, and gave clear and non-threatening verbal warnings before I made any movements.


“My registration is in my glove compartment,” I’d say. “I’m going to take off my seat belt, open my glove compartment, and go get it for you, sir.”


One time on the New Jersey Turnpike, as I was driving back to college, a state trooper and his partner stopped me for speeding. After I gave the verbal warning and got the okay, I reached into my glove compartment.


“Rolling papers?” he asked.


“What?”


“Are those rolling papers?” There were about five super-flat packets of Stride gum in the back of my glove compartment.


I pulled them out and put them in the trooper’s hand, which he inspected with his partner as if the two of them had never seen a pack of gum before, and I was let off with a warning and sent on my way.


And as I drove away, I took those packets of gum and threw them in my book bag. How stupid, I immediately thought, for keeping them in there. I should have known they looked like rolling papers.


It wasn’t until I got back to my dorm room that I was amazed that in that encounter, I somehow felt guilty, like I had done something wrong for having gum in my car. There are people who will argue that if only Trayvon Martin had declined to hit George Zimmerman after he was a) hit first, or b) approached, or c) followed, depending on which version of the story you believe, or if Trayvon hadn’t been wearing that hoodie, despite the adverse weather conditions, he’d still be alive. Sure, he wasn’t guilty of anything really, but he could have made life easier for himself by maybe not acting or looking so, I don’t know, bla—intimidating?


This is a significant part of the underlying concern a lot of people, particularly black people, have with this case. It isn’t enough that Trayvon Martin was killed with nothing more than a cell phone, a photo button, a bottle of Arizona iced tea, and a package of Skittles on him, but then insult is added to injury when it’s insinuated that he somehow, inherently, deserved it for walking-while-black in a gated community that happened to have previously been plagued by black criminals. Somehow, for a lot of people, it wasn’t George Zimmerman’s fault that Trayvon ended up killed because, as we “all know,” Trayvon was sort of asking for it.


You put on a hoodie and you know what baggage comes with that, right?


This case will, frighteningly, come down to whether or not the six jurors believe that George Zimmerman was justified in his fear. Another way of asking that is, of course, whether or not those six jurors, if placed in the same situation, could imagine themselves reasonably drawing and acting upon those same assumptions.


Is it impossible to imagine that? Of course not. But that’s precisely the problem.


Because as I think about what certainly occurred that evening, and what likely did, even if I give every single concession to George Zimmerman’s contested version of events (ie: Trayvon hit him first, Trayvon pushed Zimmerman to the ground, Trayvon beat him up, Trayvon saw the gun –- which is amazingly unlikely in the blackness of the night with the weapon concealed, but let’s just say that happened), I can’t help but think to myself:


Good. Good for you, Trayvon Martin, for doing what I would hope to God my brother would do if he was walking down the street with a package of Skittles and was followed and confronted by a man with a decade of life and 70 pounds over him.


Because what people don’t understand about this unfortunate situation is that I feel some degree of fear when I’m doing nothing wrong, like in the restaurant, rest stop, and convenience store, and my very presence causes someone to feel afraid.


And if you aren’t safe with a package of Skittles, walking around your family’s cul-de-sac in Delaware, wearing your Old Navy flip-flops, then when are you ever safe? If you find yourself approached by some stranger, why can’t you run from them without it being assumed that you’re fleeing the scene of some crime you’re destined to commit? If you’re a teenager and confronted by an adult you perceive to be creepy, why can’t you fight for your life? Stand your ground?


And why, if you get killed after all of that, would people say it must have been your fault?


A lot of people don’t understand that. They think black people see race in everything and Al Sharpton should have just minded his business. Trayvon Martin was a hood and George Zimmerman did what any responsible person would have done. Justice was already served, they say, and a verdict finding Zimmerman guilty of anything would some sort of de facto reparations –- an example of white guilt and a bone thrown to the civil rights movement.


And that’s only because they haven’t walked a mile from a 7-11 back home in Trayvon Martin’s shoes, like so many other people have.


As University of Connecticut professor and New Yorker columnist Jelani Cobb wrote, “We live in an era in which the protocol for addressing even the most severely bigoted behavior very often includes a conditional apology to the offender—a declaration that he has made a terrible error, but is, of course, in no way racist—and, eventually, an outpouring of support for the fallible transgressor, victim of the media and the ‘race-hustlers.’ We grade racism on the severest of curves, and virtually no one qualifies.”


That’s true, which is why I think questions of George Zimmerman’s racial views are irrelevant. Labeling anyone a racist is a futile argument, especially since it amounts to nothing. I have never seen someone effectively convinced that a person is a racist. It’s a judgment that’s impossible to be talked into or out of.


But I offer this. Just a few hours ago, Zimmerman’s defense attorney Mark O’Mara, who I believe has genuinely been a relatively reasonable person throughout this trial, took to CNN to give his first interview since the two sides rested their cases. He was asked by the anchor what he thinks George Zimmerman’s life will be like if he’s acquitted.


O’Mara, with a stone face and look of genuine disappointment in the truth embedded in his answer, said that Zimmerman will never be safe. He’ll always live his life in fear. He will never know when a “crazy person” (his words) will kill him.


“Everyone knows what George Zimmerman looks like,” O’Mara said. “He doesn’t know what a person who wants to kill him looks like.”


And this was said without even the slightest hint of irony. The irony jumped out of my television, into my living room, pointed at me, and laughed in my face. And I called it “sir,” and I apologized for even noticing it in the first place. And it shot me in my heart and made me come to my computer and confess my truth -- that I have met George Zimmerman.


Zimmerman doesn’t know what a person who wants to kill him looks like, but everyone knows what he looks like?


Which, of course, is fundamentally different than George Zimmerman knowing what “they,” – those many, many Trayvon Martins out there – look like."


Caseen Gaines


https://www.facebook.com/notes/case-...51681580949484

Excellent post. I imagine it was made to help people get a different perspective and see the "other side" of the whole issue.

Now that the jury has ruled, we know there is no winner. Trayvon Martin is still dead and George Zimmerman must live with the fact that he killed another human being for no good reason.

[cbg150]

I think the intent of the piece was to make people think in new empathetic ways...not a bad idea given some if the "opinions" expressed on this forum.


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[Bucco]

Originally Posted by cbg150

I think the intent of the piece was to make people think in new empathetic ways...not a bad idea given some if the "opinions" expressed on this forum.


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This is great...folks posting as if they invented being empathetic. Ever read "BLACK LIKE ME" or any of the other books of that genre.

NOWAY...this was a thread intended to do what I suppose I have gotten sucked into....but teaching me or others about empathy it was not intended to do nor could it.

I have no heard much in the way of any racist talk except for those of you who feel entitled and have the need to "teach" all us rednecks how to think.

For the record, I grew up very poor and where I was the minority.....while I am not black, I understand more than you ever will about how rough the color of your skin can be.

The posts favoring acquittal that you take as racist is one of the main reason for the problems in this country on race...that you even had the nerve to think that !1

If you have as a first thought or any thought that someone who posted for Zimmerman acquittal is a racist, then it is YOU who need to learn empathy along with a few other things.