[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Interesting take since the same folks who are pushing the Climate Change narrative are the ones who are also pushing Socialism aka Commie-Lite.

Scientists are "pushing" the Global Warming narrative because it is their DUTY to Warn the world about their findings. Most scientists are not socialists or communists - they are likely conservative. Where these scientists are on the political spectrum would be irrelevant anyway. Calling them socialists is merely a way to downgrade and avoid their advice, which is, "wake up world (of humans) you are HEATING up and destroying your own planet."

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Scientists are "pushing" the Global Warming narrative because it is their DUTY to Warn the world about their findings. Most scientists are not socialists or communists - they are likely conservative.

Do you have a source for that ludicrous statement or did you just make it up?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Where these scientists are on the political spectrum would be irrelevant anyway. Calling them socialists...

I wasn't calling any scientists socialists. I was referring to the politicians that are pushing climate change. Those politicians are "coincidentally" the same ones in favor of socialism.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And don't forget "Global wealth re-distribution"----aka I work, you reap the benefits of my labor. Well, they can kiss my grits.

Both the millionaire and the lowest worker will have their lives changed as the earth's temperatures are predicted to HEAT up for the next 7 or 8 years. All economic classes share the same earth so will have their lives somewhat negatively affected by the next 8 years of MAN MADE Global Warming. We need to 1st "face up" to the problem as scientists have and then we can begin to work on the problem.
......We can plant trees here in the US, but the Amazon rainforest is being deforested at too rapid of a rate. I can see that the only solution is for citizens to purchase EVs instead of ICE vehicles. One interesting fact that shows how the US could help.......the share of EV car sales as a % of total car sales for different countries is........China 29%, Europe 21%, and the US LAST at 8%. Europe is buying EVs at a rate almost 3 times the US. It is strange that China is doing a lot of bad things like being the world's greatest polluter (they use a lot of coal). but they have the highest % of EV car sales.
.........It looks like the US is a very poor 3rd in EV car sales. So, right there if we started buying more EVs, it might be enough to turn the CO2 polluting problem around enough to improve US air quality, maybe stop the dying of the ocean coral, and maybe stop the HEAT increases before that dreaded "tipping point" is reached.
......Perhaps the US government should be doing MORE tax incentives to encourage the buying of EVs.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

Figure I'll put some data here, it might help somebody. We got the cheapest Tesla we could get 2 1/2 weeks ago, came in at $42,500 including tax, plates, and whatever else you have to pay on top of the purchase price. We'll get $7500 back on taxes in April so we are at $35,000 plus charger, install, and some floor mats for a grand total of $36,000 all in.

Joe

At that price point ($36k), the US should hopefully be buying more Electric Vehicles in the future than just its current 8%. Plug-in hybrids would also be helpful and have many advantages as a stepping stone to full electric.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

How much of the $7500 that YOU got back in taxes did I pay?????

When the Federal Government encourages an industry (like EVs) by giving tax incentives it does so to benefit EVERYONE. Some people get a tax refund so that this industry (EVs) helps to prevent pollution (by ICEs) and therefore improves the total AIR quality in the US. This leads to greater US health and longer lifespans in the future. We all desire longer lifespans'
.....The US government is just making a SOLID investment in future improved quality of life for US citizens.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Do you have a source for that ludicrous statement or did you just make it up?



I wasn't calling any scientists socialists. I was referring to the politicians that are pushing climate change. Those politicians are "coincidentally" the same ones in favor of socialism.

The politicians are taking their cues from the scientists. They are NOT "pushing" Climate Change. They do what's best for their US citizens BY listening to and acting on the best advice of the US scientists.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Do you have a source for that ludicrous statement or did you just make it up?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The politicians are taking their cues from the scientists. They are NOT "pushing" Climate Change. They do what's best for their US citizens BY listening to and acting on the best advice of the US scientists.

So yeah, you made it up.

And no, the politicians are taking cues from lobbyists and whoever else can keep them in power. And I assure you, that is not scientists.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Both the millionaire and the lowest worker will have their lives changed as the earth's temperatures are predicted to HEAT up for the next 7 or 8 years. All economic classes share the same earth so will have their lives somewhat negatively affected by the next 8 years of MAN MADE Global Warming. We need to 1st "face up" to the problem as scientists have and then we can begin to work on the problem.
......We can plant trees here in the US, but the Amazon rainforest is being deforested at too rapid of a rate. I can see that the only solution is for citizens to purchase EVs instead of ICE vehicles. One interesting fact that shows how the US could help.......the share of EV car sales as a % of total car sales for different countries is........China 29%, Europe 21%, and the US LAST at 8%. Europe is buying EVs at a rate almost 3 times the US. It is strange that China is doing a lot of bad things like being the world's greatest polluter (they use a lot of coal). but they have the highest % of EV car sales.
.........It looks like the US is a very poor 3rd in EV car sales. So, right there if we started buying more EVs, it might be enough to turn the CO2 polluting problem around enough to improve US air quality, maybe stop the dying of the ocean coral, and maybe stop the HEAT increases before that dreaded "tipping point" is reached.
......Perhaps the US government should be doing MORE tax incentives to encourage the buying of EVs.

When are you buying YOUR EV?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The politicians are taking their cues from the scientists. They are NOT "pushing" Climate Change. They do what's best for their US citizens BY listening to and acting on the best advice of the US scientists.

They are funding the research... If you don't toe the line, you lose that funding...

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

Figure I'll put some data here, it might help somebody. We got the cheapest Tesla we could get 2 1/2 weeks ago, came in at $42,500 including tax, plates, and whatever else you have to pay on top of the purchase price. We'll get $7500 back on taxes in April so we are at $35,000 plus charger, install, and some floor mats for a grand total of $36,000 all in.

$36,000 is an affordable car for people who live in the Villages. I am amazed at how many Teslas I see down here. However, I don't think the Villages is a typical American town. If you get out of the bubble, there is a whole other world out there - much poorer than in the bubble.

I read in the papers last week that most Americans are a $400 unexpected expense away from bankruptcy. In fact, 33% of Americans only have $100 in savings! If you only have $100 in savings, you probably aren't making enough to get a $7,500 tax credit.

Here’s How Much Americans Are Saving in 2023 vs. 2022

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Scientists are "pushing" the Global Warming narrative because it is their DUTY to Warn the world about their findings. Most scientists are not socialists or communists - they are likely conservative. Where these scientists are on the political spectrum would be irrelevant anyway. Calling them socialists is merely a way to downgrade and avoid their advice, which is, "wake up world (of humans) you are HEATING up and destroying your own planet."

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Both the millionaire and the lowest worker will have their lives changed as the earth's temperatures are predicted to HEAT up for the next 7 or 8 years. All economic classes share the same earth so will have their lives somewhat negatively affected by the next 8 years of MAN MADE Global Warming. We need to 1st "face up" to the problem as scientists have and then we can begin to work on the problem.
......We can plant trees here in the US, but the Amazon rainforest is being deforested at too rapid of a rate. I can see that the only solution is for citizens to purchase EVs instead of ICE vehicles. One interesting fact that shows how the US could help.......the share of EV car sales as a % of total car sales for different countries is........China 29%, Europe 21%, and the US LAST at 8%. Europe is buying EVs at a rate almost 3 times the US. It is strange that China is doing a lot of bad things like being the world's greatest polluter (they use a lot of coal). but they have the highest % of EV car sales.
.........It looks like the US is a very poor 3rd in EV car sales. So, right there if we started buying more EVs, it might be enough to turn the CO2 polluting problem around enough to improve US air quality, maybe stop the dying of the ocean coral, and maybe stop the HEAT increases before that dreaded "tipping point" is reached.
......Perhaps the US government should be doing MORE tax incentives to encourage the buying of EVs.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

At that price point ($36k), the US should hopefully be buying more Electric Vehicles in the future than just its current 8%. Plug-in hybrids would also be helpful and have many advantages as a stepping stone to full electric.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

When the Federal Government encourages an industry (like EVs) by giving tax incentives it does so to benefit EVERYONE. Some people get a tax refund so that this industry (EVs) helps to prevent pollution (by ICEs) and therefore improves the total AIR quality in the US. This leads to greater US health and longer lifespans in the future. We all desire longer lifespans'
.....The US government is just making a SOLID investment in future improved quality of life for US citizens.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The politicians are taking their cues from the scientists. They are NOT "pushing" Climate Change. They do what's best for their US citizens BY listening to and acting on the best advice of the US scientists.

To quote Petula Clark from "don't sleep in the subway":

"We've heard it all a million times before"

yada yada yada

You can repeat that garbage ad nauseum, but it still isn't true.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

To quote Petula Clark from "don't sleep in the subway":

"We've heard it all a million times before"

yada yada yada

You can repeat that garbage ad nauseum, but it still isn't true.

The Ignore List will make your life a whole lot stressful and the thread a whole lot shorter.

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

How much of the $7500 that YOU got back in taxes did I pay?????

Don't blame the player, blame the game

don't hate the player, hate the game - Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

But as you suspect....the tax credit definitely had an impact on our decision.

It's a hot seller so far in 2023. It's outpaced by the camry but it's the #2 car in the US so far this year.

The 25 Bestselling Cars, Trucks, and SUVs of 2023 (So Far)

Joe

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

$36,000 is an affordable car for people who live in the Villages. I am amazed at how many Teslas I see down here. However, I don't think the Villages is a typical American town. If you get out of the bubble, there is a whole other world out there - much poorer than in the bubble.

I read in the papers last week that most Americans are a $400 unexpected expense away from bankruptcy. In fact, 33% of Americans only have $100 in savings! If you only have $100 in savings, you probably aren't making enough to get a $7,500 tax credit.

Here’s How Much Americans Are Saving in 2023 vs. 2022

I hear you and agree with you. However....the average price for a new car in the US this year is a whopping $48K so all in for $36K is....well....less, right?

After Nearly Two Years, New-Vehicle Transaction Prices Fall Below Sticker Price in March, According to New Data from Kelley Blue Book - Cox Automotive Inc..

I want to know who can afford a pickup truck these days!

Joe

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

So yeah, you made it up.

And no, the politicians are taking cues from lobbyists and whoever else can keep them in power. And I assure you, that is not scientists.

Well, different people have different beliefs in the sincerity of the Federal Government's motives, decisions, and actions. I tend to believe that people get the government that they deserve. Right now the US government is using tax benefits to increase the production and sales of Electric Vehicles. It would be nice if we knew of a survey of what Americans thought of that. What % are satisfied at 8% of new car sales - when Europe is almost 3 times greater. Maybe 60 or 70% on such a survey would say that we NEED to CATCH UP to the Europeans.
.......From my perspective, the US government is doing the RIGHT thing as far as EV stimulation. And I would be happy if they tripled their effort. And I would like to see a survey done as to what America wants for this EV situation.