[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

That will be news to many scientists. Levels seem to be at their highest point in the last 40,000 years and increasing.

No problem. I'm not sure the graphs will post.

"Here’s a better graph of CO2 and temperature for the last 600 million years! As noted, CO2 levels have historically been quite a bit higher than current levels Joe!

You might note that at 4400 ppm, the earths temperature was roughly the same as it is today! AND an ice age occurred while CO2 was over 4,000 ppm!

So what is the AGW scam really about? Global income redistribution, as admitted by IPCC officials!

Interesting that Romm’s graphs show a much lower level of atmospheric CO2 than actually existed! Note how much higher the average global temperature has been, than it is today! We live in a temporary low temperature bubble!


In the last 600 million years of Earth’s history only the Carboniferous Period and our present age, the Quaternary Period, have witnessed CO2 levels less than 400 ppm.

Global Temperature and Atmospheric CO2 over Geologic Time


Late Carboniferous to Early Permian time (315 mya — 270 mya) is the only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary Period ).

Temperature after C.R. Scotese Climate History


CO2 after R.A. Berner, 2001 (GEOCARB III)


There has historically been much more CO2 in our atmosphere than exists today. For example:


During the Jurassic Period (200 mya), average CO2 concentrations were about 1800 ppm or about 4.7 times higher than today.


The highest concentrations of CO2 during all of the Paleozoic Era occurred during the Cambrian Period, nearly 7000 ppm — about 18 times higher than today.


The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today — 4400 ppm.

According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming.

And Joe Romm insists the records must be wrong? The sky is falling? The emperor has new clothes?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I guess that will be a road trip with frequent stops, like every 200 miles or so

When I am on a vacation road trip I prefer an unhurried drive on secondary roads where I can get a good look at the scenery and make MANY stops to sightsee or have lunch or a coffee. So, provided I could find a charging station within that 200-mile area, I would be fine with a EV vrs an ICE vehicle. In another post it was mentioned that it is possible to have 120 volt charging system. That could be plugged into any small motel in a rural area. A truck-sized EV could have a gasoline generator for emergency charging.
........In 2 years there will be many more charging stations available as people begin to realize ALL the advantages of ELECTRIC vehicles. They are quieter and smoother by their inherent design. They have a lower center of gravity which aids BOTH acceleration and deceleration. They are non-polluting and thus better for the environment of the earth which is in horrible shape due to pollution. In our gasoline ICE culture, many inner cities have so much pollution that it can be smelled and seen. The advantages of EV,s just goes on and on.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

My issue is that, if climate change is a global problem, why are U.S. taxpayers being asked to pay for it while China and others are laughing all the way to the bank.

The US has the world's largest economy. We have the greatest military. China has pollution and their economy is sinking. Russia's currency is sinking. We take great pride in being able to lead the world. It helps if the world sees the advantages of capitalism over communism.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

When I am on a vacation road trip I prefer an unhurried drive on secondary roads where I can get a good look at the scenery and make MANY stops to sightsee or have lunch or a coffee. So, provided I could find a charging station within that 200-mile area, I would be fine with a EV vrs an ICE vehicle. In another post it was mentioned that it is possible to have 120 volt charging system. That could be plugged into any small motel in a rural area. A truck-sized EV could have a gasoline generator for emergency charging.
........In 2 years there will be many more charging stations available as people begin to realize ALL the advantages of ELECTRIC vehicles. They are quieter and smoother by their inherent design. They have a lower center of gravity which aids BOTH acceleration and deceleration. They are non-polluting and thus better for the environment of the earth which is in horrible shape due to pollution. In our gasoline ICE culture, many inner cities have so much pollution that it can be smelled and seen. The advantages of EV,s just goes on and on.

Someone has no idea how Lithium and Cobalt are mined...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The US has the world's largest economy. We have the greatest military. China has pollution and their economy is sinking. Russia's currency is sinking. We take great pride in being able to lead the world. It helps if the world sees the advantages of capitalism over communism.

China is in the process of owning the US...

Their economy is growing, faster than ours...

China GDP: Economy shakes off Covid legacy to grow 4.5% in Q1 | CNN Business

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

So why are atmospheric CO2 levels at a relative historical low???????

According to ice core data CO2 levels are higher than they have been in the last 800,000 years with a rather dramatic increase in the last 200 years.

7. Is the current level of atmospheric CO2 concentration unprecedented in Earth’s history? Answer | Royal Society.

So I must ask....how do you feel about ice core data?

Joe

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The US has the world's largest economy. We have the greatest military. China has pollution and their economy is sinking. Russia's currency is sinking. We take great pride in being able to lead the world. It helps if the world sees the advantages of capitalism over communism.

Agreed. Plus we are producing almost twice as much per capita vs. china

CO2 Emissions per Capita - Worldometer

Look, dumping trillions of pounds of carbon into the atmosphere every year is simply not a good thing. The question is, do we want to be a leader or do we want to follow a country like china and just keep on polluting? When did china become our moral compass?

Joe

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

According to ice core data CO2 levels are higher than they have been in the last 800,000 years with a rather dramatic increase in the last 200 years.

7. Is the current level of atmospheric CO2 concentration unprecedented in Earth’s history? Answer | Royal Society.

So I must ask....how do you feel about ice core data?

Joe

Uh, see post 196

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Uh, see post 196

Weird...I didn't see it before I posted.

I couldn't access the graphs but it seems like he is going back millions of years whereas ice cores are only going back 800,000...so maybe it's possible that CO2 levels are higher than in the last 800,000....but apparently much lower than in eras before then?

I guess my take home on post 196 is "if CO2 is going to cause tremendous global warming then why did we have an ice age with CO2 levels 10X higher than current?" I'm not sure what to make of that.

Ever feel like you are either buying into big oil's misinformation or getting duped like sheep by the shadowy global elite?

Joe

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

........In 2 years there will be many more charging stations available as people begin to realize ALL the advantages of ELECTRIC vehicles. They are quieter and smoother by their inherent design. The advantages of EV,s just goes on and on.

Even if they are better, what percentage of American's can afford an EV?? Unless you live and work in very affluent parts of the country (NY, Boston, Cape Cod, the Hamptons, Washington DC, LA, Seattle, and apparently the Villages) the vast majority of people can't buy one.

But if the threat of climate change is truly existential, the government should use our tax dollars to buy one for every American that wants one. If we are all going to die within 10 years unless we all drive EVs, buying one for every American seems like a bargain. We can print the money and worry about paying it back later.

[MrChip72]

Not to call anyone specifically out in this thread. But you have people quoting temperatures and CO2 levels from 300 million years ago at the same time saying that we can't trust the numbers on what the average temperature really was 100 years ago.

Seems like some people were taught that science is mostly based on personal beliefs.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

Not to call anyone specifically out in this thread. But you have people quoting temperatures and CO2 levels from 300 million years ago at the same time saying that we can't trust the numbers on what the average temperature really was 100 years ago.

Seems like some people were taught that science is mostly based on personal beliefs.

Fact: The thermometer with a standardized scale is only 125-150 years old.

That's a lot of extrapolation to take the last 150 years of small amount of data in a few places and extend it over thousands or millions of years. .

However, the one climate change which is human caused is local, and TV is a perfect example. TV was once green with a historical heat absorbing index of 1 (naturally designed) . . now its heat absorbing with asphalt and cement coverings and buildings. These items are heat sinks during the day, and is now way higher than the historical 1 for grasslands. . . This man made activity causes local global warming, and potentially, has gone / may have gone past the tipping point of affecting the entire planet

So building head absorbing structures in hot climates has nothing to do with CO2. . its just the only extrapolation that can go back long enough to scare everyone if you believe in extrapolation. . .

enjoy our man made heat. .

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Fact:

[CoachKandSportsguy]

climate spending on EV is about the same as the ring video showing a tesla crash

article and video embedded
3 injured after Tesla driver loses control, smashes into garage in Los Angeles

watch the ring video

[CoachKandSportsguy]

When the going gets tough, the data go missing. . . .

"Claudius Ptolemy (A.D. 90–168)

"The Scientist Handbook" first edition