[OhioBuckeye]

Proof from a couple that drive from Texas to Ohio 3 times a yr. I haven’t yet seen a EV charger yet, so you must have to drive a ways to find one so make sure you have enough battery life left to find one, hopefully you’re not waiting on 2 or 3 other EV’s, where ever that might be! EV’s aren’t a vacation vehicle’s!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

You see light poles or buildings with lights along roads? The base for the electrical infrastructure is already there!!

And they can barely keep up with the current energy use. You think they will be able to handle the MASSIVE increase needed to charge EVs?

Since they are already in place, why is CA telling people NOT to charge their EVs when they get home in the evening, so they won't have brown/black outs?

They are expirementing now by mixing cement and carbon black (materials that have been around for thousands of years) and incorporating it into a roadway. The mixture can hold and transfer electricity. Vehicles could be charged while moving.
MIT engineers create an energy-storing supercapacitor from ancient materials | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology

They are experimenting with a lot of things. Some will pan out, some will not.

But let's not put the cart before the horse (which is what many are currently promoting...)

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Then take back ALL the subsidies paid out to oil companies through the years. I'd like some of that money.

Those "subsidies" are simply the deduction of business costs. Just like ANY other business...

They like to call them "subsidies" in order to vilify the oil companies...

The same with "entitlement programs"...

They now use that as a pejorative. SS and Medicare most certainly are "entitlements", since you paid into the system with the promise of a payout at retirement. You are "entitled" to those benefits.

But now, they add "Medicaid and Welfare" into those programs they like to call "entitlements". Sorry, but you are not "entitled to either of those. They are a handout, a charity. and should be defined as such...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by bcsnave

Well there is the old stand by-----a bathtub full of water and toss in a plugged in toaster...that mixture can also transfer electricity...give er' a shot

Actually, pure water does NOT conduct electricity. It will somewhat conduct if there are impurities in the water. I doubt that an adult would be electrocuted in that situation. Maybe a child could (?) die. I was a former electronics tech so I must have touched live 120 volts a hundred times. If my hands were sweaty then the shock was a LITTLE stronger. But, any adult can survive 120 volts. Logically, that is why it is standard in homes.
.......Now 220 volts is an entirely different animal, it can easily kill an adult, so be VERY AFRAID of 220 volts!!!!!!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Record temperatures are all around us. TV land and Orlando....100 degrees. (nice round number) Just another example of the EVER INCREASING temperatures in the last 10 years.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I was a former electronics tech so I must have touched live 120 volts a hundred times.

Nah... Too easy...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Dlpdo

I am not aware that there is any adult in the US that does not pay taxes to the government.

That is correct, but there are exceptions to everything. Non-citizens in the US are sometimes recruited by unscrupulous contractors (for example). Then they are paid "under the table" in order to avoid taxation. This would probably represent 1 or 2 percent of all workers - certainly not approaching 47%.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is correct, but there are exceptions to everything. Non-citizens in the US are sometimes recruited by unscrupulous contractors (for example). Then they are paid "under the table" in order to avoid taxation. This would probably represent 1 or 2 percent of all workers - certainly not approaching 47%.

FEDERAL INCOME TAX...

It actually dropped a bit for 2022...

"An estimated 72.5 million households -- or 40% of total households -- will pay no federal income taxes for tax year 2022, according to an analysis from the Tax Policy Center. The share marks a substantial decline from the 59.3% who paid no federal income taxes in 2020 and from the 56% in 2021."

[Battlebasset]

I drive an electric golf cart for the Villages and golf. I have a gasoline car when I want to go further/faster.

Both are excellent for their intended use. But at this point in time, an EV as your car is an "80%" car. By that I mean that for 80% of the time, it is only used in this area, and then goes back to its garage to be recharged. No worries

But then there is that "20%" when you need to go farther. Or something comes up and you don't have time to recharge fully. Or you do take it on a longer trip and you can't find/have to wait for a charger, or there are software glitches and the charger won't work with your car. Or you are in a dark parking lot nervously recharging and hoping you aren't mugged, or worse.

This, plus the fact that I keep my cars longer than the 10 year battery warranty, and many of battery components are mined/sold by the communist Chinese who are horrifically exploiting those that do the mining, puts EV on my "don't buy" list for the time being. And if they are so great, why do we need to provide subsidies?

For those of you that don't mind those things, you are welcome to be the beta test pioneer. I'll wait and see how it plays out. Because remember:

"The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse get the cheese".

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

I wasn't talking business expenses or tax deductions. I was refering to "subsidies". Here's the definition:
A subsidy is a direct or indirect payment to individuals or firms, usually in the form of a cash payment from the government or a targeted tax cut.
Here's big oil's subsidies defined:
Reforming global fossil fuel subsidies: How the United States can restart international cooperation | Brookings

That boring, heavily biased, article never mentioned specifically what these subsidies are, only that they should be eliminated. Most probable reason is that these "subsidies" are normal business expense deductions that all businesses take and not free handouts of money.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

That boring, heavily biased, article never mentioned specifically what these subsidies are, only that they should be eliminated. Most probable reason is that these "subsidies" are normal business expense deductions that all businesses take and not free handouts of money.

Great minds... See post #168...

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

This credit takes absolutely nothing from anyone. This tax credit is non-refundable - you can't claim more than you actually pay. This credit can set your tax liability to $0 but does not pay you anything back. This credit doesn't take money from the poor to pay the rich, it simply says the purchaser doesn't have to pay that amount in their taxes this year.

(This is unlike other credits where money is taken from taxpayers to give refunds to those who pay $0 in taxes.... a true example of taking from the rich and giving to the poor)

Give it up.

[JSRusso]

Does anyone know if the golf cart that caught fire on Sunday was an EV? https://www.**************.com/2023/...-the-villages/

[txfan]

Love my EV car and golf cart (the only type to have on a golf course). Climate change definitely is real.

Monday, August 14
11 a.m. – News conference with NASA Administrator Bill Nelson, NASA climate experts, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) on the latest climate data findings:

NASA to Discuss Temperature Data, Climate Goals | NASA

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JSRusso

Does anyone know if the golf cart that caught fire on Sunday was an EV? https://www.**************.com/2023/...-the-villages/

I do NOT know about that specific situation. But, logically, we know that gasoline is a very inflammable liquid that can explode in some situations. That has NOT changed since 1900 - the beginnings of ICE cars and trucks. Electric vehicles are in their infancy - their developmental INFANCY. Same way with their batteries. They will be improved greatly until they never catch on fire. Gasoline engines STILL catch on fire EVEN after 125 years of safety development. That's why Electric Vehicles are superior to gas.
......Plus advantages of lower center of gravity, fewer moving parts, no pistons, greater acceleration, and ultimately (after a few years) much better safety and lower maintenance.