[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

They say you should learn something every day... this seems to be my day!



No, that is not the point I am making. If the Phantom is not electric then there is no tax credit even though it is more expensive than most EVs.

On the other hand, if the owner of the TV Premier Home installs solar panels and reduces the load on the electrical grid then yes, maybe he should be given a tax break. The extra costs he is paying provides some tangible benefit to others (reduced loading leading to extended lifetime) and perhaps that should be rewarded in some minimal way.

Our daughter and son in law just installed solar on their home in May YES subsidies thru St of Connecticut and US Government average bill between $200 to $250 family of 4. June bill received $40 credit, July bill $1.75. Out of pocket just under $10,000.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Don't know, but wouldn't surprise me.

The correct answer is "Of course they are..."

EV chargers: States are getting billions for electric vehicle chargers : NPR

[kp11364]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Man forced to ditch $115K Ford EV truck during family road trip to Chicago: ‘biggest scam of modern times’

Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with an EV in a long road trip?

I have always been concerned about recharging. The fast chargers take 15-60 minutes so, if there were two cars ahead of you, it could take 3 hours to charge!

Another thing to remember about an EV is that the current spate of batteries have a life of about 5-6 years. So, in addition for paying extra to get an EV, you also have the privilege of spending $25K (that's right $25,000) to replace your battery every 5-6 years...

[mickey100]

I've read that the battery life is 10-20 years.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by kp11364

Another thing to remember about an EV is that the current spate of batteries have a life of about 5-6 years. So, in addition for paying extra to get an EV, you also have the privilege of spending $25K (that's right $25,000) to replace your battery every 5-6 years...

Originally Posted by mickey100

I've read that the battery life is 10-20 years.

A point made by a couple of articles: The manufacturer's warranty is typically for 8 or 10 years. The manufacturer does not want to have to replace expensive batteries so their warranty is likely to be conservative. 10+ years seems likely.

[MrChip72]

Kinda hilarious that this story is basically about a guy with an EV that had a charging malfunction that was later fixed at the dealership but the only takeaway for some people is that ALL EV's are bad regardless of manufacturer.

Imagine if every time a newer gas powered Ford broke down that it made national news.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

Kinda hilarious that this story is basically about a guy with an EV that had a charging malfunction that was later fixed at the dealership but the only takeaway for some people is that ALL EV's are bad regardless of manufacturer.

Imagine if every time a newer gas powered Ford broke down that it made national news.

No, that's expected, since ford stands for: Found On Road Dead

[patfla06]

I don’t think the EV cars are there yet. We went to a Tesla store
in International Mall in Tampa and the cars were pretty spartan.

Also don’t like hearing the occasional story of some EVs going on fire.

Not for me.

[phylt]

Originally Posted by melpetezrinski

When taking long trips, the key is NOT to fully charge the vehicle. I was forced to drive a Tesla 1100 miles down the east coast. A simple Google search of battery cycle recommendations revealed that you should drive the vehicle's batteries down to 5-10%. Only charge them up to 55-60%, which takes about 12 minutes. Yes, only 12 minutes. This will give you another 180 miles. Charging the batteries to 100% would take 70 minutes and would only give you another 90 miles. This is Tesla long range specific.

The google search was absolutely WRONG. !00% charge is fine for Tesla battery systems. One battery they use is perfect to charge 100%. The other is fine if you travel soon after charging to 100%. 55-60% is is not true - it's FUD. We plan to get a new Tesla very soon. There are many Musk/Tesla haters out there... they easily spew FUD.

[phylt]

Originally Posted by patfla06

I don’t think the EV cars are there yet. We went to a Tesla store
in International Mall in Tampa and the cars were pretty spartan.

Also don’t like hearing the occasional story of some EVs going on fire.

Not for me.

Spartan due to the fact that Tesla cars SELL. For very solid reasons.

[phylt]

Originally Posted by kp11364

Another thing to remember about an EV is that the current spate of batteries have a life of about 5-6 years. So, in addition for paying extra to get an EV, you also have the privilege of spending $25K (that's right $25,000) to replace your battery every 5-6 years...

...everyone is an expert. so wrong. repeat the FUD.

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by JSRusso

My wife and I just recently purchased the Hyundai Ioniq 5. We love it! Lots of power, handles great and plenty of space for the kids and our dogs. It gets about 270 miles on a full charge, and has the ability to DC fast charge up to 80% in about 20 minutes. The vast majority of the time its used by my wife to go back and forth from work which isn’t too far about 15 miles each way. She only charges the vehicle once every week. It will take about 8 hours to go from 5% to 100% on our level two charger in the garage. As an added bonus, Hyundai includes free charging at Electrify America chargers for 2 years. We didn’t buy it to save the planet. We drove it and loved it. We got $7500 tax incentive taken directly off the MSRP and an additional $2500 discount so the Limited trim version was 48k. I’m looking forward to trading in my Toyota Camry in the next year and am certain I will go with another EV. Quiet, Fast, Comfortable, no fumes or smells, no carbon monoxide worries, and little to no maintenance required. As for road trips, I do plan to drive it to back and forth between NY, South Carolina and Florida. We are the type who get restless after 3 or 4 hours of driving and take frequent breaks. Charging the vehicle to 80% in 20 minutes while I’m grabbing a snack or using the rest room isn’t a problem.

If you live in The Villages the closest Electrify America site is Bushnell. So that benefit does not give you mush benefit for a car used locally.

I was looking at a VW EV with a similar 270 mile range with a full charge but you only get 80% or 216 Miles. And just like gasoline powered cars you need a reserve (ie Low fuel warning light) That usually comes on with fuel level gets down to 1.5 to 2.5 gallons. That means you should fill soon. So, you should really consider the 80% 216 miles reduced by another 15 % or 185 Miles.

How does that work on a simple weekend trip to Clearwater 105 Miles each way? Well, you will need to schedule a fuel stop. With Electrify America (Free for two years), you have 3 current choices. Bushnell, Wesley Chapel, and St Petersburg. I guess Wesley Chapel on the way would be the best option. But to take advantage of that benefit (Electrify America), you may be tempted to stop at Bushnell to top it off before you get home. With My Kona, I do not need to worry about fuel for a trip like that.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

When they make an EV that will go 1,000 miles without recharging, they will have no problem selling them.

Supposedly Toyota working on solid state EV battery that will get 750 miles on charge and only take 10 mins for recharge. I will buy one when they are affordable and can go at least 600 miles on charge.

[dhdallas]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Man forced to ditch $115K Ford EV truck during family road trip to Chicago: ‘biggest scam of modern times’

Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with an EV in a long road trip?

I have always been concerned about recharging. The fast chargers take 15-60 minutes so, if there were two cars ahead of you, it could take 3 hours to charge!

That guy only has himself to blame for not doing due diligence (and believing everything the salesperson told him). Does anyone ever get the gas mileage stated on the window sticker....NO! Then why would anyone believe the range estimates provided by the manufacturer? Why did he not research how much putting in a home charger would cost & would his current home electrical system support one. Currently, electric vehicles are NOT good for your only vehicle and definitely not for long trips. Their range is too short & the charging infrastructure is iffy. Electric vehicles ARE perfect as a second car, for local trips shopping or day trips, or short commutes less than 100 miles. Anyone who even casually reads any articles about EV's knows these things.

Now due to this guy's stupidity, all the anti-EV persons & media are using this extremely poor example to bash the EV industry. I don't own an EV but my next replacement for one of my two cars will be an EV. Don't be like this guy, do your own research and remember, Caveat Emptor!

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Man forced to ditch $115K Ford EV truck during family road trip to Chicago: ‘biggest scam of modern times’

Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with an EV in a long road trip?

I have always been concerned about recharging. The fast chargers take 15-60 minutes so, if there were two cars ahead of you, it could take 3 hours to charge!

I’m going to stick with my Prius for a few more years, even though I would rarely go far enough to need to plug in somewhere. I only recently discovered that these recharging stations are charging people far more for electricity than what they pay at home. That said, the guy in the story was driving an electric Ford F-150, and sufficient battery power to run one of those at 80 mph while towing a trailer or boat requires a much bigger battery than what is found in a Tesla. He paid $56 to recharge that battery, but filling the truck with gas might have cost him closer to $100. He paid, what was it, $10,000 for private recharging stations at both his home and business, with wiring? But the average EV user here in The Villages who is seldom driving more than 20 miles a day and isn’t driving a truck can recharge in the garage with a standard outlet overnight once a week. Even a trip to the airport and back is easily recharged overnight. As for his truck being in the garage twice for six months each time for slight body work, I don’t see what that has to do with the EV aspect. But he lives in the wilds of Manitoba. It might not be easy to get parts there.