[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Mark Twain ~ "Better to remain silent & thought a fool than to open one's mouth & remove all doubt."

Agree. So why did you open your mouth??????

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by dougawhite

No such thing as a functioning perpetual motion machine, sorry. Adding a generator powered by the EV car's motion will not return as much power to the batteries as it takes to propel the vehicle, thus you're actually draining the battery faster.

Time to go back to engineering school.

The car's momentum needs to be converted into something in order for it to stop. Friction brakes turn it into heat which dissipates and is lost. Running the motor in generator mode converts some of that momentum into voltage to charge the battery. No, it does not return as much power as it took to get the vehicle moving but it does return some. If you happen to be using regenerative braking going down a steep hill it will return quite a bit.

Regenerative braking certainly does not drain the battery faster.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by JSRusso

You’re not subsidizing any part of my EV vehicle. It’s no different than any other tax break we all get throughout our lives. When we file a tax return do you forgo any of the write offs or breaks your entitled to legally take due to the tax codes? You can if you like pay more than you have to, knock yourself out. But don’t criticize those that don’t. There are currently incentives that are available should you choose to purchase an EV. It’s not like the government is handing out cash to people who decide to purchase one. If your paying the premium for a new EV vehicle, there are certain vehicles that can qualify for up to $7500 in rebates towards your taxes at years end. Like it or not, the incentives are there in hopes that more EV’s on the road will help to grow investments in research and the infrastructure around the country in the years to come. The incentives are temporary and have already been reduced as of this past April. Nobody is sending you a check of taxpayers money. We all pay our taxes, and we certainly don’t all agree on how those taxes are used, but it’s not as though we all haven’t benefited from them throughout our lives in some way shape or form. Our taxes subsidize everything this country does, least of your concerns should be a tax incentive on EV’s.

So, so wrong. If you get $7500 in tax rebates, the rest of us have to pay the $7500 that you didn't pay. Or we just add another $7500 to the national debt. My point is that there SHOULDN'T BE ANY TAX REBATE for the type of vehicle YOU CHOOSE to buy. If the average car costs $37,000 and I buy a $750,000 Ferrari, should I get a tax rebate?????? The only reason that a tax rebate is available is because certain powers that be, who by the way stand to make a fortune off this, are pushing this imminent global warming false narrative. I do not subscribe to that lie and do not want to enrich those who are telling the lie.

[Keefelane66]

With its inception in the 90’s the EV was designed as a commuter vehicle. With a range of up to 150 miles.
It’s not for everyone.
Give a choice I’ll take a hybrid over an EV.
My first hybrid purchased in 2008 sold it to my neighbor up north with 150,000 miles in 2013. He’s still driving it today with over 275,000 miles original batteries he claims still getting 50 mpg commuting to and from work.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Are you saying we should do away with subsidies YOU receive? GREAT....I don't have to subsidize YOUR social security or Medicare anymore!

Is that because you are not currently or in the future going to receive Medicare or Social Security? If you are, you post is nonsense. I will never buy an EV, so I do not want to subsidize yours.

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Is that because you are not currently or in the future going to receive Medicare or Social Security? If you are, you post is nonsense. I will never buy an EV, so I do not want to subsidize yours.

I agree with you but we all have just subsidized the electric bus company "solynd...I mean Proterra" after the electric bus company went belly up. Perhaps Hunter was a board member, who knows.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

But, but, but.......what about global warming????? Or is it only true when it doesn't inconvenience one of the believers?

E-cars and trucks are capable of causing a large social CHANGE. CHANGE is never easy and pretty. The fossil fuel vehicle has been around for 125 years. They are highly developed (over those 125 years) and sophisticated today with fossil fuel filling stations EVERYWHERE.
.......Think back, imagine back to 1900 when the automobile was replacing the horse and buggy. Cars were noisier and less reliable than the horse and buggy. It was probably pretty hard to find a gas station in 1900. Nevertheless, the technology of the automobile PREVAILED over the horse and buggy and is highly evolved and efficient today. Interesting, and when / if you check me out on this - you will find my numbers to be only approximate. The efficiency of a IC engine is ABOUT (something like) 20%. The efficiency of an electrical motor like a washing machine motor is (around) 90 %. Now , of course the motor in a Tesla or other EV is a DC motor. Personally, I do not know the exact efficiency for a Tesla motor. BUT, you can see how the efficiency POTENTIAL for an EV is SO MUCH greater than the IC engine vehicle.
........With that efficiency in mind, there is a lot of logic saying that the EV is a likely REPLACEMENT for the internal combustion vehicle. Also, DC motors have tremendous torque potential and that high torque starts at about ONE RPM. That is why the Tesla goes zero to 60 mph faster than gasoline vehicles.
.......EV are like gasoline vehicles were in 1910 - about 10 years into their early adaptation process. EV are BABIES and like BABIES they cause headaches and problems. Imagine an EV in 2050 when the technology is perfected. We are in the pioneering EV stage, so we MUST EXPECT some inconvenience. The Canadian guy in the story thought he could just pay $ 80K for a Ford EV and live happily EVER after. That is COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC for a pioneering technology like an EV.
........Its shortcomings must be understood, like range limits and charging station limits. If you can afford $80k for a truck, you need to do your research on its limitations and NOT expect everything to be wonderful. You buy an EV because it helps save the humans on earth and you enjoy the idea that you recognized the future before some of your neighbors. Think of an EV as bragging rights to a better tomorrow - it is NOT just a car or truck - it is the concept of being the 1st on your block willing to take a chance on a NEW AND BETTER technology. You are the pioneer - drive it locally and enjoy that while recognizing its EARLY limitations.
........When you take an EV (or philosophically, anything) BEYOND its limitations, you can EXPECT DISAPPOINTMENT.

[miadford@gmail.com]

I’ve recently read about the advancement of EVs. The autonomous driving cars are also driving the advancement of batteries and battery life. They are in development of them so that the battery charge will be lasting much longer, in the neighborhood of possibly 1000 miles. The new charger will take 2-3 minutes to do a charge on the road. The company I am referring to is a smaller unknown company that even Elon is invested in is called L.A.S.E.R. And it has something to do with LiDAR technology. Very interesting.

[rsmurano]

Read the car magazines and talk to people that own an EV. The car magazines and the people I know are glued to their screens the whole trip to make sure they can get to a charging station within the range they can go. I would hate that!
Also, my friends have said they get to charging station after a long stint and they might be the 3rd or 4th in line. So it’s going to be a couple hours of charging. Also, friends on the west coast have said that a lot of the charging stations are damaged and you can not know that until you get there. A family member of ours has a gasoline car and their close friend has an EV, every long trip their friend takes they ask to trade cars because they don’t like stopping every couple hundred miles.
A couple of things that turn me off: what happens when an EV stops running because they run out of power, you didn’t make it to the charging station? Do they have a roaming semi with a charging station on it to charge the EV? In a gas car, most gas stations will loan you a gallon container to add gas to get you to the gas station.
How many local dealers/mechanics will work on your EV? How many local mechanics will work on your gas car? All of them!
Our friends thought about coming down to visit us in their EV and they thought they could charge their EV overnight at the hotel: no charging stations!
When the number of charging stations equals or is higher than the number of gas stations; when you can get 500 miles per charge, and the time it takes to get a full charge equals the time it takes to fill your tank with gas; all at the same price of a gas car, I’ll look at buying an EV so in 20-30 years I might be buying 1

[Byte1]

EVs are cool technology, BUT/BUT I am perfectly comfortable with my less expensive fossil fuel burner. Considering the fact that the air is cleaner than when I was a child, I am not worried that the air will suddenly be polluted beyond comfort in the next ten to twenty years I have left. We have come a long way with air pollution control. I don't take long trips anymore, so having to sit in the line to charge an EV is not an issue. It would be if I was a traveler again. I don't know what the trade in value is, or the depreciation rate is on an EV, but that won't have much motive for me either. I like new technology and I am disappointed that more use of hydrogen fuel cells hasn't been encouraged, since it really IS clean fuel. I have a electric golf cart that I have converted to lithium power, but to be honest with you, I would totally go with a gas powered golf cart if I had to do it over again.
When I was a kid, we used to ride electric street cars around town. Now the tracks have been torn up and the street cars have been replaced with buses. Guess no one was concerned about climate change when they did the conversion. And no, I do not consider climate change, global warming, global cooling on any of my plus or minus points when considering my mode of transportation. I think that it is great that folks are keeping great companies like Tesla in business. And I do think that EVs are pretty cool. Just won't own one, UNLESS they ban gasoline or diesel. I remain open minded and ready to be convinced. So far, no one has convinced me that I would be better off with an EV. Maybe I will change my mind when I win the billion buck lottery.

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by Byte1

EVs are cool technology, BUT/BUT I am perfectly comfortable with my less expensive fossil fuel burner. Considering the fact that the air is cleaner than when I was a child, I am not worried that the air will suddenly be polluted beyond comfort in the next ten to twenty years I have left. We have come a long way with air pollution control. I don't take long trips anymore, so having to sit in the line to charge an EV is not an issue. It would be if I was a traveler again. I don't know what the trade in value is, or the depreciation rate is on an EV, but that won't have much motive for me either. I like new technology and I am disappointed that more use of hydrogen fuel cells hasn't been encouraged, since it really IS clean fuel. I have a electric golf cart that I have converted to lithium power, but to be honest with you, I would totally go with a gas powered golf cart if I had to do it over again.
When I was a kid, we used to ride electric street cars around town. Now the tracks have been torn up and the street cars have been replaced with buses. Guess no one was concerned about climate change when they did the conversion. And no, I do not consider climate change, global warming, global cooling on any of my plus or minus points when considering my mode of transportation. I think that it is great that folks are keeping great companies like Tesla in business. And I do think that EVs are pretty cool. Just won't own one, UNLESS they ban gasoline or diesel. I remain open minded and ready to be convinced. So far, no one has convinced me that I would be better off with an EV. Maybe I will change my mind when I win the billion buck lottery.

Can I be your friend when you win the billion buck lottery

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Wondering

First problem with your post is that the source is Fox Business. Not a trusted source. Why? Fox Corporate had to pay more than 3/4 of a billion for reporting false information to their viewers. Secondly, didn't the buyer of the truck do some research before he bought the truck, as to cost for every aspect of owning a EV? Obviously, not! Many EV owners are happy with their EV cars/trucks. Typical FOX NOISE reporting!

FOX News! Everybody drink!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by JSRusso

You’re not subsidizing any part of my EV vehicle. It’s no different than any other tax break we all get throughout our lives. When we file a tax return do you forgo any of the write offs or breaks your entitled to legally take due to the tax codes? You can if you like pay more than you have to, knock yourself out. But don’t criticize those that don’t. There are currently incentives that are available should you choose to purchase an EV. It’s not like the government is handing out cash to people who decide to purchase one. If your paying the premium for a new EV vehicle, there are certain vehicles that can qualify for up to $7500 in rebates towards your taxes at years end. Like it or not, the incentives are there in hopes that more EV’s on the road will help to grow investments in research and the infrastructure around the country in the years to come. The incentives are temporary and have already been reduced as of this past April. Nobody is sending you a check of taxpayers money. We all pay our taxes, and we certainly don’t all agree on how those taxes are used, but it’s not as though we all haven’t benefited from them throughout our lives in some way shape or form. Our taxes subsidize everything this country does, least of your concerns should be a tax incentive on EV’s.

It's the Government picking winners and losers...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Windguy

I'm going to have to call BS on that statement. You must have gotten that nonsense from your favorite propaganda station years ago. That may have been true back when the first hybrids came out and used lead-acid batteries, but it's not true for Lithium-ion batteries.

Here's the concluding paragraph from a Car and Driver article last year:



How Long Do Electric Car Batteries Last? - Car and Driver

"The truth is that today's EV batteries will inevitably need replacing in the future. Fortunately, modern EV battery packs should prove problem-free for nearly the first decade of use—possibly even longer. By the time today's EVs will need a replacement battery pack it's likely the manufacturing and material costs will be far less than they are today. We're not saying that replacing your EV's lithium-ion battery pack a decade from now will be cheap, but we wager doing so will be much more affordable than it is today."

"SHOULD be problem free..."

"It's LIKELY that they costs will be less..."

We WAGER will be much more affordable..."

And you have the stones to comment on "propaganda"...

What's your source of news? That station that recently lost a few hundred million to Nick Sandman?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by JSRusso

Tolls, registration fees and taxes ?

Except EVs are exempt from HOV Tolls...

Are you in favor of increasing registration and taxes for EVs to make them more in line with ICE vehicles?