[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

There are certainly choices that are not gasoline only or electric only cars.

Plug in hybrids cover the daily commute and still have a gas engine to go long distances. In my opinion this is the intelligent choice for most for the next twenty years.

I agree with this post. And would add that after 20 years the 100% electric vehicles will likely have all the disadvantages and kinks designed out of them and their reliability and clean air advantages will likely impress and benefit people. Likely charging stations will be replacing gas stations by then.
.........Gas engines will just be something quaint from a bygone era like the horse and buggy. (mere collector items)

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

When? When will the infrastructure be able to handle the increased load?
Where will the add electricity come from?

You see light poles or buildings with lights along roads? The base for the electrical infrastructure is already there!!

They are expirementing now by mixing cement and carbon black (materials that have been around for thousands of years) and incorporating it into a roadway. The mixture can hold and transfer electricity. Vehicles could be charged while moving.
MIT engineers create an energy-storing supercapacitor from ancient materials | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

So, why should I partially subsidize even $0.01 of YOUR ev???

Well, one benefit would be to breathe cleaner air and thus live longer. Also, the less noise from an EV is better for quality of life. The batteries in an EV make the vehicle have a lower center of gravity than an IC vehicle. Lower center of gravity allows a vehicle to BRAKE faster........maybe (?) that could save someone's life.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Most studies show that the vast majority of households have under $10,000 in savings and the average cost of EVs is about $61,000.

Even if people wanted to buy an EV, most people could not afford to buy one.

Does anyone think that the prices will come down drastically in the next 10 years?


Electric Car Prices: The Average Electric Car Cost in 2023

There is a COST to people's lungs when they breathe polluted air. That is a main reason why EVs should be encouraged by the government and society. Oil probably has a better use in medicines and other uses besides ICE fuel.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Sure, cite an extremely partisan congresscritter to back up your ridiculous claim...

Oil companies deduct business costs, just like any other business... It's not a "subsidy"...

One of their many costs is "exploration"...

I wasn't talking business expenses or tax deductions. I was refering to "subsidies". Here's the definition:
A subsidy is a direct or indirect payment to individuals or firms, usually in the form of a cash payment from the government or a targeted tax cut.
Here's big oil's subsidies defined:
Reforming global fossil fuel subsidies: How the United States can restart international cooperation | Brookings

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Ksfirefighter

If electric cars don’t use gas, how do the much heavier electric cars pay for road tax to repair the roads?

Governments can get tax money any way they see fit. There does NOT have to be a direct relationship between road repair and the energy source of vehicles. Road repair could come from a general fund that comes from income taxes. It is basically an arbitrary system. A government could put tax on dog licenses to pay for road repair.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

You have made it quite clear that is your belief. It is not shared by all.

It is in our family.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Windguy

Drivers of EVs in Florida are subsidizing your gasoline by paying their part of the cost to keep the oil flowing in the Middle East, which has cost us TRILLIONS of dollars not to mention many lives. The gas tax is roundoff error in comparison.

I'd bet that if you actually paid at the pump for ALL the cost of your gasoline (including military and damage to the environment and people's health), it would be more than $10/gallon. If you saw just how much you are really spending on your gas guzzler, you'd be chomping at the bit for an EV.

I like the mention of people's health. Put those costs into the equation. I assume most people prefer to breathe CLEAN air.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

The problem with Government subsidies for EVs is that it skews the real cost comparison of EVs to gasoline vehicles. If EVs are competitive with gasoline vehicles, then take away the subsidy and let the free market determine which vehicle people will buy.

Then take back ALL the subsidies paid out to oil companies through the years. I'd like some of that money.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

So, so wrong. If you get $7500 in tax rebates, the rest of us have to pay the $7500 that you didn't pay. Or we just add another $7500 to the national debt. My point is that there SHOULDN'T BE ANY TAX REBATE for the type of vehicle YOU CHOOSE to buy. If the average car costs $37,000 and I buy a $750,000 Ferrari, should I get a tax rebate?????? The only reason that a tax rebate is available is because certain powers that be, who by the way stand to make a fortune off this, are pushing this imminent global warming false narrative. I do not subscribe to that lie and do not want to enrich those who are telling the lie.

Record temperatures are all around us. TV land and Orlando....100 degrees. (nice round number) Just another example of the EVER INCREASING temperatures in the last 10 years.

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

You see light poles or buildings with lights along roads? The base for the electrical infrastructure is already there!!

They are expirementing now by mixing cement and carbon black (materials that have been around for thousands of years) and incorporating it into a roadway. The mixture can hold and transfer electricity. Vehicles could be charged while moving.
MIT engineers create an energy-storing supercapacitor from ancient materials | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Well there is the old stand by-----a bathtub full of water and toss in a plugged in toaster...that mixture can also transfer electricity...give er' a shot

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

You see light poles or buildings with lights along roads? The base for the electrical infrastructure is already there!!

They are expirementing now by mixing cement and carbon black (materials that have been around for thousands of years) and incorporating it into a roadway. The mixture can hold and transfer electricity. Vehicles could be charged while moving.
MIT engineers create an energy-storing supercapacitor from ancient materials | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Expirementing is right. lol.

[Dlpdo]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

They can’t take it out of the taxes of the 47% who don’t pay tax

I am not aware that there is any adult in the US that does not pay taxes to the government.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Dlpdo

I am not aware that there is any adult in the US that does not pay taxes to the government.

Get aware. The reference is to the 47% (and growing) of citizens that pay zero federal income tax.

[melpetezrinski]

Originally Posted by phylt

The google search was absolutely WRONG. !00% charge is fine for Tesla battery systems. One battery they use is perfect to charge 100%. The other is fine if you travel soon after charging to 100%. 55-60% is is not true - it's FUD. We plan to get a new Tesla very soon. There are many Musk/Tesla haters out there... they easily spew FUD.

Please re-read my post. Actually, just re-read the first 4 WORDS. I was ONLY referring to best practice for cycling Tesla batteries WHEN TAKING LONG TRIPS. How did misconstrue the WHOLE point of my post? Discharging to 0 percent and charging to 100% is perfectly acceptable for the batteries under certain situations. You are correct. However, on long trips, to maximize distance and minimize charging time, you want to charge the batteries between 5 and 60 percent approximately.