[Joeg180]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

California is now electing an illegal to public office. Start small, drivers license, now public office. Sorry but laws have reasons.

Link to this article?

[redwitch]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

California is now electing an illegal to public office. Start small, drivers license, now public office. Sorry but laws have reasons.

Facts are nice. An illegal alien/dreamer was appointed to a California state committee, NOT running for office.

Lizbeth Mateo came to the US when she was 14 with her parents. She graduated from college and law school, now has her own law firm. She been appointed to an advisory committee for low-income students.

I’m not sure I agree with this appointment, but it sounds like she is certainly well-qualified for this appointment. It also sounds like this is a woman we would want as a U.S. citizen. Something truly needs to be done about the Dreamers. Most have more than paid their dues and deserve a legal, permanent place in America.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I got it!!!!

The person is real? Check!

The real person has entered the USA illegally? Check!

The real person is an illegal alien? Check!

Illegal alien persons are not and should not be allowed the privileges or rights of all the other real persons who are either born here or here legally. It is the law!!!

Actually, that's not the law. There are certain rights that are extended to all people within our borders, regardless of their immigration status. Those would be human rights, but I guess some people might think "hey they're illegals" so those rights don't apply.

In addition, undocumented immigrants have certain rights that don't apply to citizens: the right to seek asylum. Refugees have rights that citizens don't have, because those rights don't apply to people who are already citizens.

[manaboutown]

Illegal aliens are not undocumented as they almost have records of some sort where they came from: birth records, school records, many even criminal records. There is nothing "undocumented" about them. What is true is they entered our country illegally. i.e, criminally, as they broke the law. Thus these criminals are properly described and designated as illegal aliens.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Facts are nice. An illegal alien/dreamer was appointed to a California state committee, NOT running for office.

Lizbeth Mateo came to the US when she was 14 with her parents. She graduated from college and law school, now has her own law firm. She been appointed to an advisory committee for low-income students.

I’m not sure I agree with this appointment, but it sounds like she is certainly well-qualified for this appointment. It also sounds like this is a woman we would want as a U.S. citizen. Something truly needs to be done about the Dreamers. Most have more than paid their dues and deserve a legal, permanent place in America.

100% totally in agreement with you. The process to become a LEGAL citizen can take decades. Our system is broken and has been for a very long time. There are constant complaints about the lack of qualified people in a host of categories. Obviously American citizens aren't interested in the jobs. If they were, there wouldn't be such a broad spectrum of vacancies. Dreamers WANT to fill some of these roles, they are pushing themselves to become educated, so they can contribute to the profits of the USA, become productive tax-paying members of society.

While in the meantime, we have lots of American citizens who accept handouts from the government and complain about the illegals.

I don't know what it looks like in Florida these days, but up where I live, the majority of people accepting handouts from our state and federal funds (Medicaid, Section 8 Housing, SNAP food vouchers, Welfare checks) are Americans. Most of the immigrants (I don't know their status) work in the public sector. They get paychecks and taxes are taken out and paid to the government. And the government turns around and GIVES it to Americans who don't work.

I feel you have to be pretty arrogant, and ignorant, to complain about unauthorized immigrants taking and taking from us, when the vast majority of people taking are citizens - and most of the immigrants are giving, not taking.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Illegal aliens are not undocumented as they almost have records of some sort where they came from: birth records, school records, many even criminal records. There is nothing "undocumented" about them. What is true is they entered our country illegally. i.e, criminally, as they broke the law. Thus these criminals are properly described and designated as illegal aliens.

That is just flat out incorrect.

Most of them came here LEGALLY, with visitor visas and work visas. They came in legally, and stayed past the expiration of their visas. They are NOW "undocumented" meaning, they no longer have valid visas or any other documentation that shows they are allowed to still be here.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

That is just flat out incorrect.

Most of them came here LEGALLY, with visitor visas and work visas. They came in legally, and stayed past the expiration of their visas. They are NOW "undocumented" meaning, they no longer have valid visas or any other documentation that shows they are allowed to still be here.

I would question the assertion high lighted above. There are hundreds/thousands streaming through the fields, across rivers, climbing walls, trespassing on private property to come across. None of them have any intention of doing anything legally except come across and hope to not get caught. That is what MOST of them do.

What is said and who we hear from in the news are among those as you describe. The ILLEGALS are not available for interview and would be as far as possible from the lime light.

Here is a current for instance on the volume of illegal entries:

Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More Than 76,000 Unauthorized Migrants Cross in a Month - The New York Times

76,000 in one month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[villagerjack]

These illegal aliens cost the American taxpayers tens of billions of dollars that could be used for American citizens who actually pay the taxes.

[thetruth]

Originally Posted by Daddymac

Florida bill would allow illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses - Fox News
FL Lawmakers Announce Bill to Expand Driver’s Licenses to all Immigrants Regardless of Immigration Status | Florida Immigrant Coalition - floridaimmigrant.org

I am an ex-New Yorker. My personal experience- In NY they will issue a picture ID. If you look at it and don't READ IT, you would mistake it for a drivers license. My car was hit. Actually very minor damage the license frame was hanging off. Did not even damage the bumper paint. We were in the middle of the street traffic was piling up. I blocked his exit and called the police. In the end. the police never came I expect he was an illegal alien. Clearly he did not have a license and without a license he could not have had insurance.

MORE IMPORTANT. My niece was rear ended by a car driven by an illegal alien with no license and no insurance. Rear ended is important because by law the person who hits you is always guilty. My nieces car rolled over onto her arm. My niece is PERMANENTLY INJURED. There was a good chance she would loose the arm in total. While she does still have the arm, it is mostly USELESS. By the time my niece got out of the hospital the father of the ILLEGAL ALIEN had bought her a new car and she was out driving.

On the issue of illegal aliens and many others we are sending out mixed CONFLICTING messages. Welfare, medical care, now drivers licenses. No wonder all INCLUDING these CRIMINALS are confused. It is like people training a pet to stay off the couch and then inviting the pet on to the couch. Simple, you can claim demeaning-NO WONDER THE ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE CONFUSED.

[retiredguy123]

If it is true that illegals are paying taxes for benefits they can't use, then why don't they go back to their own country and use their skills to improve their own economy, instead of being cheated by the U.S. Government.

[thetruth]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

That is just flat out incorrect.

Most of them came here LEGALLY, with visitor visas and work visas. They came in legally, and stayed past the expiration of their visas. They are NOW "undocumented" meaning, they no longer have valid visas or any other documentation that shows they are allowed to still be here.

What you are saying. A person gets a gets a liquor license-a license to sell liquor. I chose this one because it is politically correct and it is expensive. That same person allows the license to expire. Three years later they are caught. What you say is that they were once legal so there is no crime.

Law must apply to all. Today, perhaps always people THINK the only laws that need to be followed are those that they agree with. Being in the US on an EXPIRED VISA is a CRIME.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I would question the assertion high lighted above. There are hundreds/thousands streaming through the fields, across rivers, climbing walls, trespassing on private property to come across. None of them have any intention of doing anything legally except come across and hope to not get caught. That is what MOST of them do.

What is said and who we hear from in the news are among those as you describe. The ILLEGALS are not available for interview and would be as far as possible from the lime light.

Here is a current for instance on the volume of illegal entries:

Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More Than 76,000 Unauthorized Migrants Cross in a Month - The New York Times

76,000 in one month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This from your link. Seems to dispute your first paragraph.

The main problem is not one of uncontrolled masses scaling the fences, but a humanitarian challenge created as thousands of migrant families surge into remote areas where the administration has so far failed to devote sufficient resources to care for them, as is required under the law.

[retiredguy123]

The visa overstay issue would be so easy to solve. The employers and schools who sponsor people to get visas should put up a deposit that would be forfeited when the visa expires unless the visa holder has left the country. But, apparently, having visa holders leave is not the plan.

[Pinball wizard]

Originally Posted by thomp679

If I was concerned about law breakers, then almost everyone on this board would be law breakers. Nobody has lived a pure life.

I rolled through a stop sign. Does that count?

[Pinball wizard]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

That is just flat out incorrect.

Most of them came here LEGALLY, with visitor visas and work visas. They came in legally, and stayed past the expiration of their visas. They are NOW "undocumented" meaning, they no longer have valid visas or any other documentation that shows they are allowed to still be here.

Where are your facts to back up this assertion?