[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Mary Schiavo should stop wasting her time and stop by TOTV for answers.

There are often other possibilities but mass murder does look like the most probable. That's some computer glitch though if that is what it was. And I think that if it were anything but a very low chance of that being the case all the flights with that kind of software would be grounded.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

There are often other possibilities but mass murder does look like the most probable. That's some computer glitch though if that is what it was. And I think that if it were anything but a very low chance of that being the case all the flights with that kind of software would be grounded.

Sequence of events that seemed to be known so far… 3 seconds after take off, the captain, who is supervising the younger pilot actually flying the plane apparently turns off both fuel switches manually. The younger pilot panics and asks captain why did he do that? 10 seconds later the fuel switches are turned back on, we don’t know by who, but it is too late.

[Tvflguy]

look at post#51 for photo of switch locations and actual photo of the recovered (burnt) switch panel from crashed plane

[MorTech]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Attached is a photo of the Cockpit on a Boeing 787. Where's the cut off switch?



There are plenty of ways to crash an airplane. Shutting off the fuel supply on take off, wouldn't make my list of the Top 10.

Shutting off the fuel supply to both engines just after take off would be the very best way to crash an airplane in a ball of flame...Which is what happened according to flight data recorder. The switches were moved back to ON, but too late.

At the exact moment when the non-flying pilot would move to retract the landing gear, both fuel cutoff switches were toggled one second apart. The landing gear switch was never toggled.

Hmmm.

This is data analysis...Speculation is just speculation.

[Snakster66]

This video shows how the fuel switches are toggled. Certainly not something that can happen by accident.

https://fb.watch/AW2Gy_8KS6/?fs=e

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Snakster66

This video shows how the fuel switches are toggled. Certainly not something that can happen by accident.

https://fb.watch/AW2Gy_8KS6/?fs=e

The physical switches cannot be moved by accident, at least not with the locking mechanism in place, but do the physical switches connect directly to the fuel supply? If those switches are just inputs to the software and the software controls the fuel supply then there is the possibility that the software could initiate a fuel cutoff without the switches ever moving. This would explain the pilots' statements as transcribed in the report.

Why did it take 10 seconds to switch back to run? Speculation: Perhaps noting that fuel supply was in a cutoff state even though the switches were in the run state, one of the pilots toggled the physical switches to cutoff, waited 10 seconds, then toggled them back to run.

More analysis of the recorders is needed to determine exactly what happened.

[Velvet]

I asked AI if there is any possibility that software could turn the fuel cut-off switches on or off.

AI Overview:
India orders airlines to check fuel switches on Boeing jets

No, the fuel cut-off switches (CHT/IFF) on a Boeing 787 are not designed to be controlled by software; they are manually operated by the pilots. While the 787 has sophisticated automation systems, the fuel control switches are physically separate and require a pilot's action to move them between "run" and "cutoff" positions.

My speculation:
What could also explain what happened is that the captain switches off both fuel switches. The pilot, flying the plane, is busy with maneuvers for taking off but notices and panics and asks, Why? The captain calmly answers that he didn’t. Notice, the captain has been told that the cutoff switches are off AND he stays calm. The pilot flying the plane in his panic does not change the flaps or retract the landing gear which we see in the video. The captain is in a position to take control, but does nothing. The pilot flying the plane, quickly turns back the fuel switches, but the damage has been done.

My guess is that Captain Sumeet Sabharwal has research this, ran a simulation on what happens and how soon after fuel is cut off, so he knew what was going to happen.

[Lottoguy]

The pilot turned off the fuel to the engines. Everything is on the voice recorder in the cockpit. Mass murder by pilot will soon be released to the press.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by MorTech

Shutting off the fuel supply to both engines just after take off would be the very best way to crash an airplane in a ball of flame...

At the exact moment when the non-flying pilot would move to retract the landing gear, both fuel cutoff switches were toggled one second apart. The landing gear switch was never toggled.
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Originally Posted by Snakster66

This video shows how the fuel switches are toggled. Certainly not something that can happen by accident.

Originally Posted by Velvet

A commercial pilot wouldn’t recognize a cut off switch?? We are not talking about an aging Hollywood star trying to fly his own plane.

Originally Posted by mikemalloy

From the video it appears that the wheels were not retracted after takeoff. Not realizing what the problem was the crew may have lowered the flaps that compounded the problem.

Originally Posted by Lottoguy

The pilot turned off the fuel to the engines. Everything is on the voice recorder in the cockpit. Mass murder by pilot will soon be released to the press.

Can I safely assume all expert commenters have a Pilot's License and have actually flown an airplane?

[Snakster66]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Can I safely assume all expert commenters have a Pilot's License and have actually flown an airplane?

Me posting a video showing how the cutoff switches operate is not a claim of expertise and does not require a pilot's license to see the mechanical operation can not be performed 'accidentally'. Spare us your condescension.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Can I safely assume all expert commenters have a Pilot's License and have actually flown an airplane?

In my case, yes. But only Cessnas. Light planes, when I was learning to fly I couldn’t quite get the plane in the right position to tether it down, so I got out and pushed it into place. Much to the amusement of the people around.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Velvet

In my case, yes. But only Cessnas.

No such thing.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

No such thing.

Then I suspect you can’t know about airplanes. This is the type of plane I learned on.

AI Overview
Cessna 150 vs 152 - Thrust Flight
The Cessna 150 is a two-seat, tricycle-gear general aviation airplane, popular for flight training, touring, and personal use. It was first introduced in 1959 and was known for its simplicity and forgiving flight characteristics. The Cessna 150 was produced until 1977, with over 23,000 aircraft manufactured. It was later succeeded by the Cessna 152.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Can I safely assume all expert commenters have a Pilot's License and have actually flown an airplane?

Originally Posted by Velvet

In my case, yes. But only Cessnas..

Originally Posted by BrianL99

No such thing.

Originally Posted by Velvet

Then I suspect you can’t know about airplanes. This is the type of

There is no such thing as an FAA Airman's Certificate that only allows someone to fly a Cessna.

& I know about Cessna 150-152's, I landed one on the only FAA recognized Ice runway in the USA and have a few hours in a 150 Aerobat.

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by Snakster66

Me posting a video showing how the cutoff switches operate is not a claim of expertise and does not require a pilot's license to see the mechanical operation can not be performed 'accidentally'. Spare us your condescension.

Well said.