[dbussone]

Originally Posted by bimmertl

This would be something that wouldn't be ignored by the media. Let's have a link to an article somewhere that tells the story. Can't find anything close on Google.

Bimmertl - what post are you responding to?

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by blueash

In an upper Midwestern state there is a large community of Muslims who managed to get a co-religionist appointed as the local head of the health department. It turns out that restaurant inspections have always been done by the head of the health department, but also have been available from the state office. This new department head who began his appointment on Jan 1st has just announced that his office will no longer do restaurant inspections as he believes his religion forbids him from handling pork and other non-halal foods. He says the public will not be inconvenienced because the state is still going to be doing inspections. Do you think he should quit his job or at least put aside his religion when he is there to provide services to the public in a manner which every previous person did who held that position? It is also going to cost his community money as there was a charge collected for each inspection which the government will no longer be collecting as it is not doing the inspection.

Could you please supply a link to this story so that I may read the entire story in context.

I have searched and cannot find any record of this story anywhere.

[bimmertl]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Bimmertl - what post are you responding to?

Looking for story backing up OP's allegations. Same as Rags 123 post.

Sorry I wasn't specific considering the other issues brought up.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by blueash

In an upper Midwestern state there is a large community of Muslims who managed to get a co-religionist appointed as the local head of the health department. It turns out that restaurant inspections have always been done by the head of the health department, but also have been available from the state office. This new department head who began his appointment on Jan 1st has just announced that his office will no longer do restaurant inspections as he believes his religion forbids him from handling pork and other non-halal foods. He says the public will not be inconvenienced because the state is still going to be doing inspections. Do you think he should quit his job or at least put aside his religion when he is there to provide services to the public in a manner which every previous person did who held that position? It is also going to cost his community money as there was a charge collected for each inspection which the government will no longer be collecting as it is not doing the inspection.

I'll venture a good guess that the state you reference is Minnesota. I moved down from Minneapolis area and it contains one of the largest Somalia communities in the country. Clerks at grocery stores refuse to checkout customers who have purchased pork.. Taxi cab drivers refuse passenger who deplane with alcohol purchases abroad.

had taken up so many customer parking spots in the area businessmen hire. This community gather outside in downtown Minneapolis that businessmen got permission from the police department to hire tow truck operators to tow their cars away.

They have shown an outright disdain for Americans filed countless lawsuits of no merit. They have no intentions of assimilation and many have left Minneapolis to join the jihad fight.

On the other hand Minnesota also has the largest Hmong population in America and they have assimilated and contributed to their communities as other nationalities, etc.

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by dbussone

We were founded on Judeo-Christian principals. I think you forgot to include the "Judeo" part. On the other hand I'm not aware of any atheists among the founders.

If you research the "religions" of the founders carefully you might be quite surprised. Start with Thomas Jefferson.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Challenger

If you research the "religions" of the founders carefully you might be quite surprised. Start with Thomas Jefferson.

I have. Did you read the article that I linked to...the whole article. Most of the Founders were Unitarians or Deists.

"Thomas Jefferson, third president and author of the Declaration of Independence, said:"I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die a Unitarian." He referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac" and wrote:
The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ leveled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained."
From:
Thomas Jefferson, an Intimate History by Fawn M. Brodie, p. 453 (1974, W.W) Norton and Co. Inc. New York, NY) Quoting a letter by TJ to Alexander Smyth Jan 17, 1825, and Thomas Jefferson, Passionate Pilgrim by Alf Mapp Jr., pp. 246 (1991, Madison Books, Lanham, MD) quoting letter by TJ to John Adams, July 5, 1814.

Thomas Jefferson held most clergy and organized religion in low regard not so much for theology, but for abuse of power and attacks on liberty. Jefferson identified himself as a Unitarian, not a Deist as such. But I have demonstrated that Deism as understood in America was drawn from Christianity, often a rejection of Calvinism. But what did Jefferson say on Jesus?

Jefferson was always reluctant to reveal his religious beliefs to the public...He was raised as an Anglican, but was influenced by English deists. "Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." In Query XVII of in the Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom: "The rights of conscience we never submitted, we could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg . . . . Reason and free inquiry are the only effectual agents against error."

His ideas are nowhere better expressed than in his compilations of extracts from the New Testament "The Philosophy of Jesus" (1804) and "The Life and Morals of Jesus" (1819-20?)...Jefferson believed in the existence of a Supreme Being who was the creator and sustainer of the universe and the ultimate ground of being, but this was not the triune deity of orthodox Christianity. He also rejected the idea of the divinity of Christ, but as he writes to William Short on October 31, 1819, he was convinced that the fragmentary teachings of Jesus constituted the "outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man." In correspondence, he sometimes expressed confidence that the whole country would be Unitarian, but he recognized the novelty of his own religious beliefs. On June 25, 1819, he wrote to Ezra Stiles, "I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know." Rebecca Bowman, Monticello Research Department, August 1997. Ref. http://www.monticello.org/reports/interests/religion.html"

Note that references have been included!

[graciegirl]

Blueash, is the unnamed place Dearborn, Michigan? I can't find this story anywhere.

Dearborn, Michigan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

He should be fired for being unwilling to do his job.

That I agree with... the accusation that any religion other than the Christian religion will ruin the USA I don't.

[graciegirl]

,,,,

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Blueash, is the unnamed place Dearborn, Michigan? I can't find this story anywhere.

Dearborn, Michigan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's what I was thinking. My Mom's family lives in Michigan, starting out in Dearborn and spreading out but one of my Uncle's family still lives near there and their son teaches in Detroit. They LOVE the Muslims and Obama. We should be very afraid for our children and grandchildren, etc if Sharia Law is allowed. This man was elected, wasn't he? If not then why in the world apply for a job that would entail conflicts with his religion?

As the previous poster said about Minneapolis, the Mong population assimilated into the community. If Muslims don't like our laws then why move here? To take over our country since theirs are always in conflict?

[blueash]

In an upper Midwestern state there is a large community of Muslims who managed to get a co-religionist appointed as the local head of the health department. It turns out that restaurant inspections have always been done by the head of the health department, but also have been available from the state office. This new department head who began his appointment on Jan 1st has just announced that his office will no longer do restaurant inspections as he believes his religion forbids him from handling pork and other non-halal foods. He says the public will not be inconvenienced because the state is still going to be doing inspections. Do you think he should quit his job or at least put aside his religion when he is there to provide services to the public in a manner which every previous person did who held that position? It is also going to cost his community money as there was a charge collected for each inspection which the government will no longer be collecting as it is not doing the inspection.

Typing errors corrected:

In Florida there is a large community of Christians who managed to get a co-religionist elected as the County Court Clerk. It turns out that court weddingshave always been done by the Court Clerk, but also have been available from outside officiants . This public official who is required by the Constitution not to discriminate in his office has just announced that his office will no longer do weddings as he believes his religion forbids him from marrying all eligible persons. He says the public will not be inconvenienced because somebody else is still going to be doing weddings. Do you think he should quit his job or at least put aside his religion when he is there to provide services to the public in a manner which every previous person did who held that position? It is also going to cost his community money as there was a charge collected for each inspection which the government will no longer be collecting as it is not doing the inspection.

I appreciate the calls for the removal from office of this person who felt his religious opinion trumped the job to which he was elected. I did need to edit the original post a bit, as I made some typing errors.

For those who wanted links:
Some clerks ax nuptials so they won't have to marry gays

and this lovely quote

"The problem is we can't discriminate" because this county clerk so wants to discriminate
Pasco clerk on gay wedding ceremonies: Not us, not yet

[Jimturner]

Originally Posted by CFrance

That I agree with... the accusation that any religion other than the Christian religion will ruin the USA I don't.

I can accept your veiw that Christianity is no better than any other religion, but it is ours and we should honor and respect it. To allow sharia law to modify our laws would be devastating to our way of life. Also, religions with the differences as vast as Muslim and Christianity opens the door to violent confrontation.

[BarryRX]

Originally Posted by Jimturner

It breaks my heart to say this, but I do not believe any non Christian religion will do anything but harm the way of life in the United States. I would vote for Christian or Atheist, but no other religious laws should be respected by our judicial system.

Hi Jim, I'm a Jew. Please list all the ways that my religion has harmed the way of life in the US in the past or will do so in the future. Heck, just name one! I am not only interested in your reply as a Jew, but also as a proud American and a veteran, as were my father before me and his father, who came to this country to escape the ovens of Nazi Germany. I'm not angry at your statement Jim, just disappointed that you seem to misunderstand your religion as much as you do mine.

[Jimturner]

I am simply defending my Christian faith. I will not debate my God nor my Savior Jesus Christ. I also am not angry with you; however, please understand when you deny Jesus Christ as your savior, you are being disrespectful and I guard against all things indicating my faith is false.

[BarryRX]

Originally Posted by Jimturner

I am simply defending my Christian faith. I will not debate my God nor my Savior Jesus Christ. I also am not angry with you; however, please understand when you deny Jesus Christ as your savior, you are being disrespectful and I guard against all things indicating my faith is false.

Aw Jim, I don't believe you're being disrespectful of Judaism because you believe in something else. Why would you even think I'm being disrespectful of your religion for believing in mine? But, we're getting away from the premise of your original post which stated that a non Christian religion will harm our country. Again, please just give one way that my belief as a Jew will do this. Just one. Please note that in no way am I attacking your faith and beliefs, I just want to know why you have slandered mine.