[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Gracie, anyone not scared by extremists is a fool and that's true whether an atheist, a Christian, a Jew or a Muslim. Islamic extremists have murdered more Muslims than they have murdered those of other religions, including counting 9-11 in that amount.

So, back to my question and probably blueash's point, would the reaction have been different if he had quoted the article correctly from the git go? Is it okay for someone issuing marriage licenses and performing marriage ceremonies as a county employee to refuse to perform a ceremony on religious grounds? If so, then an Islamic official should have the right to refuse job performance on religious beliefs. We can't have one set of rules and laws for Christians and another for other religious groups. This is not the principles on which America was founded.

I get that...but in our effort to be FAIR we may open ourselves to bad changes.

Not all absolutes are absolute. This is a democracy and the majority rules.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I get that...but in our effort to be FAIR we may open ourselves to bad changes.

Not all absolutes are absolute. This is a democracy and the majority rules.

Context is extremely important. A Utah official who refuses to marry an unorthodox Mormon to his three wives is different. There are many polygamous marriages in The Bible but that does not make them legal or moral in the 21st Century.

I can see a very small Muslim community perhaps doing what Blueash wrote about if this is the only person in the health department in that community. There are some towns where the mayor, health inspector, police captain, etc. could be all the same person.

If there were threats of violence against a minister who is going to perform a gay marriage, then I would be hard pressed saying that the marriage should be carried out at that specific time and place.

[Paulz]

Getting back on topic.

In the real world where you apply for a job there is a statement you signoff on stating that you agree and are able to preform all functions and responsibilities of the job. This is not a reasonable accommodation as in allowing time off for a religious holiday, in my guess a pretty big part of the job they signed up for.

[graciegirl]

In situations such as the OP is dancing around, you must follow the law as it is written in the land that you live and that is even if you don't agree with it. if it is your job to issue marriage licenses then you must issue marriage licenses to any and all people who may legally marry..

You may not agree that in your personal belief that they should marry, but if they apply and the law says they can, do your job or find one where your personal moral code does not interfere.

Further, if you want to change a law, try to do it in a practical and realistic manner. You can march to China and back and all you're gonna get is tired feet. Buy hey..it is your freedom to do so.

But do you want to fish, or cut bait?

[Jimturner]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Gracie, anyone not scared by extremists is a fool and that's true whether an atheist, a Christian, a Jew or a Muslim. Islamic extremists have murdered more Muslims than they have murdered those of other religions, including counting 9-11 in that amount.

So, back to my question and probably blueash's point, would the reaction have been different if he had quoted the article correctly from the git go? Is it okay for someone issuing marriage licenses and performing marriage ceremonies as a county employee to refuse to perform a ceremony on religious grounds? If so, then an Islamic official should have the right to refuse job performance on religious beliefs. We can't have one set of rules and laws for Christians and another for other religious groups. This is not the principles on which America was founded.

You say clearly what I mean. Thank you for this post red witch.. I keep saying, serve your God the way you wish, but do not try to change my countries laws to fit your religious beliefs. Christianity is the only path in America.

[graciegirl]

Redwitch...that is not a good argument, in my opinion. That Extreme Muslims have murdered more Muslims than people of other faiths and that includes the 911 horror.

They HAVE, but only because those "infidels" were close at hand. The ones who didn't cover their hair or ate pork or didn't want to have a clitorectomy.

I do not like those people at all. There is nothing worthy about them as far as what I believe.

And I am allowed to think that and say that.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Jimturner

I am faithful to my Christianity and you say I have a wrong attitude! Wow... I have heard it on the news and in church, but This is the first to actually call me out for defending my Christian Faith. Being wishy washy on faith by any means is a way to defy God. I will not be part of that.

The Christ that I have been taught about, teaches by example and by good works. And is the essence of love and forgiveness.

Then there are the Pharisees.

You are called to preach the Gospel and sometimes that is most effective without words.

The crusades are history.

[Challenger]

"Mandamus"

The failures cited in this thread refering to government officials who refruse to act according to the requirements of their job should be addressed by the legal (secular and non religious) process of initiating a request to the courts(secular and non religious) for Mandamus relief. Arguments about the superiority of one group of religious beliefs vs another is an endless loop .

The actions cited (whether actual or hypothetical) are simply derilictions of duty, whether religiously based or whatever.

How's that for an Opinion!!!

[redwitch]

Originally Posted by Jimturner

You say clearly what I mean. Thank you for this post red witch.. I keep saying, serve your God the way you wish, but do not try to change my countries laws to fit your religious beliefs. Christianity is the only path in America.

Sigh. I think you totally perverted what I meant to suit your personal beliefs. I'm willing to bet that you believe that county employees who refuse to marry gay couples or county officials who are willing to accommodate those bigots are totally right. To me, they pervert American standards as much, if not more so, than a Muslim following his religious beliefs.

I feel sorry for you. Your world is so small and closed. I truly don't think God is going to deny someone their spot in Heaven so long as they are kind, forgiving and follow the His basic tenets. Whether you call God Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, etc. is irrelevant. It is the kind of person you are that matters.

Our founding fathers deliberately separated church and state. According to you, that is about as true as me saying the sky is purple.

[Jimturner]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The Christ that I have been taught about, teaches by example and by good works. And is the essence of love and forgiveness.

Then there are the Pharisees.

You are called to preach the Gospel and sometimes that is most effective without words.

The crusades are history.

Sorry, I do not see any point in your words above.

I will be clear, I AM CHRISTIAN and will not agree to tolerate the savagery of middle eastern religions. I was taught to be faithful to God and you cannot do that following anything but the bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ.
I have never understood the warm touchy beliefs from the 60s. Good deeds is wonderful, but to deny Jesus Christ is an unforgivable sin in my faith.

[BarryRX]

Originally Posted by Jimturner

Sorry, I do not see any point in your words above.

I will be clear, I AM CHRISTIAN and will not agree to tolerate the savagery of middle eastern religions. I was taught to be faithful to God and you cannot do that following anything but the bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ.
I have never understood the warm touchy beliefs from the 60s. Good deeds is wonderful, but to deny Jesus Christ is an unforgivable sin in my faith.

Christianity is a middle eastern religion. Still waiting for an answer to my question.

[pivo]

If anyone wants to know where this is leading----check out--demographics of muslims in america------within 20 to 30 yrs they will control most of the world--please check it out
really scary.

[Chi-Town]

Getting back to the Moderator's request before this thread is closed. I have seen posts quoting Internet articles that a third grader would Snope. And sources cited that have zero credibility. And hyperlinks everywhere in between ponderous ramblings. But to make up a story just for feedback totally sucks. Reminds me of Milli Vanilli. You blew it blueash.

[Jimturner]

I believe that any faith that does not include Jesus Christ as lord and savior to be an abomination.

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by pivo

If anyone wants to know where this is leading----check out--demographics of muslims in america------within 20 to 30 yrs they will control most of the world--please check it out
really scary.

Straight line projections are universally wrong in the long term. !!!