[dillywho]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

Red - just curious - Is it the prostitution you mind (for reasons mentioned and I agree if the woman are abused) or would you feel the same about the exposed affairs (like Tiger)? Should he lose his position for that?

Is it the simple act of hiring a prostitute for cash that bothers you in regards to his position? Or is it the fact that where he did it was illegal?

Is this any different than a former president of our country getting sex from who knows? Wasn't he also a role model?

Would this guy be more of a role model if he just went into bars and found 'a girl for the night'? Should he lose his position for that?

I am glad that he chose this route instead of the kids at school. When the news media questioned one of the kids about it, he didn't seem concerned and said that it seemed to be blown all out of proportion. (Said, "the guy just wanted to get laid.")

His crime (if he's found guilty) is not sex, but illegally buying it. Would he be fired for just any misdemeanor...I think not simply because the media would not be interested and the public would never know. Teachers are not perfect. To me, parents as role models are much more important than the teachers. This is why kids have parents (or is supposed to be).

Little humor: I remember my boys talking about driving down "the boulevard" (which was the local area for the prostitutes) at home and asking them if they had beginner's rates on the way by. No way would they or their friends ever have any more than that to do with them. Their response if you asked them was an incredulous, "Are you kidding??!!!"

[redwitch]

Honestly, it if were someone he picked up in a bar, I could care less -- it is not an exploitation of anyone and not illegal. If he's married (I have no idea) and wants to cheat on his wife, that's his business and his wife's when she finds out and not up to me to say a dang word. However, this is a man who is held up to be a role model to young men. He is accused of committing an illegal act -- one that would have had one of his players be automatically suspended for. Had he been "just" a teacher, the odds are pretty good that he would have, at the very least, been suspended with pay until the trial (and he better not be plead guilty or not contest or the teacher would be fired).

As to the kids not thinking it's a big deal, kids also think drinking and driving is okay; speeding is okay; pot use is okay; oral sex isn't sex .... Don't think I'd put too much value on their opinions on this.

Illegal prostitution is an exploitation of women and girls. Very few women opt to go into this profession because they think it is a good career path and, if they do, they certainly wouldn't pick working a corner. Sorry, what this coach (and possible teacher -- I've seen some articles saying he taught as well as coached) did was wrong and the only reason he is getting away with it is because his teams win. What kind of example is being set for his players -- the coach can do it, but if you do, you're hung out to dry even before there is a trial?

What he did is much more reprehensible than Tiger cheating on his wife, even if he did do with several women, or even Clinton having sex (but not really -- guess she didn't inhale) with Monica. Neither act is acceptable to my moral values, but both men did these acts with truly consenting females (not someone who may have been forced into a way of life not of her choosing) and none of my business. A coach or a teacher who does an illegal act and gets away with it sends a message to his/her players and students that it is okay as long as you are winning.

[Russ_Boston]

Got it.

[Whalen]

"Little humor: I remember my boys talking about driving down "the boulevard" (which was the local area for the prostitutes) at home and asking them if they had beginner's rates on the way by. No way would they or their friends ever have any more than that to do with them. Their response if you asked them was an incredulous, "Are you kidding??!!!" "


That's what they told you.




PS
I think there is a bridge in Brooklyn that might be for sale.

[jannd228]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Honestly, it if were someone he picked up in a bar, I could care less -- it is not an exploitation of anyone and not illegal. If he's married (I have no idea) and wants to cheat on his wife, that's his business and his wife's when she finds out and not up to me to say a dang word. However, this is a man who is held up to be a role model to young men. He is accused of committing an illegal act -- one that would have had one of his players be automatically suspended for. Had he been "just" a teacher, the odds are pretty good that he would have, at the very least, been suspended with pay until the trial (and he better not be plead guilty or not contest or the teacher would be fired).

As to the kids not thinking it's a big deal, kids also think drinking and driving is okay; speeding is okay; pot use is okay; oral sex isn't sex .... Don't think I'd put too much value on their opinions on this.

Illegal prostitution is an exploitation of women and girls. Very few women opt to go into this profession because they think it is a good career path and, if they do, they certainly wouldn't pick working a corner. Sorry, what this coach (and possible teacher -- I've seen some articles saying he taught as well as coached) did was wrong and the only reason he is getting away with it is because his teams win. What kind of example is being set for his players -- the coach can do it, but if you do, you're hung out to dry even before there is a trial?

What he did is much more reprehensible than Tiger cheating on his wife, even if he did do with several women, or even Clinton having sex (but not really -- guess she didn't inhale) with Monica. Neither act is acceptable to my moral values, but both men did these acts with truly consenting females (not someone who may have been forced into a way of life not of her choosing) and none of my business. A coach or a teacher who does an illegal act and gets away with it sends a message to his/her players and students that it is okay as long as you are winning.

I read the articles about this situation. I taught at the high school level, the kids do need role models.

Red, he is a coach, not a teacher, so his contract maybe different, but he does interact with teens male and female on a daily basis. The district should at least put him on a probationary status until it can be sorted out. Just an opinion, until there is an outcry from the district that he teaches in, most likely he will remain coaching.

[redwitch]

Jann -- Nauseating, isn't it? What amazed me was that there was a news report last night that a Melbourne V.P was arrested for DUI and speeding. She was suspended with pay! What is wrong with this country that you can do anything so long as you are rich, winning or somehow on top? Somewhere along the line we have really lost our moral compass.

[Russ_Boston]

Is that Vice Principal?

But Red - how would you like a job where a DUI got you fired? Heck, half of corporate America would be out of work

Not condoning DUI but that's a harsh penalty!

[redwitch]

Russ -- Yes to vice principal. She's not fired -- yet -- "just suspended." I'm not convinced being suspended for a DUI is right, whether a teacher, coach or whatever in a school district, but at least I understand the logic. She is to set an example for her students. Driving drunk and speeding is illegal and dangerous, but not a felony for a first offense. This is not what you want to teach your students. I would think you also wouldn't want to teach your students that it is not okay to break the law by soliciting a prostitute. Sadly, I'm obviously wrong on this one.