[choppers62]

What about Chauvin's police history? Should that have been brought up
also? He shouldn't have even been employed at the time of George Floyd arrest!!!

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by DougandLaddi

I agree 100%, his past was a huge factor in the strong use of force, if cops can not ratchet up force when merited they will be the looser far too often. Chauvin may not have been the best but few are perfect as they are human and cops need the backing required to do their job without risk of persecution like this. Bad cops get ferreted out by internal affairs all the time and the system works for the most part. I don't believe George Floyds skin color was a significant factor other than the drastic treatment Derek Chauvin got in the press to drive this terrible over reach. If G. Floyd was white there would not even be a story so which color of skin is likely over or under represented.

The race card. I suggest to all that you use my simple yet difficult to actually do.
Simply in your mind reverse the skin color. If, that then reverses your view you have a problem. Sometimes we call that white guilt. I am white, I do not have white guilt.
The charge of racist is truly powerful. A big reason for that is it is impossible to prove you are not racist. Reality check. You meet someone. To claim you are not aware it is male, female, old, young, thin, fit, fat well dressed, black, white, hispanic, oriental etc etc etc. You are lying to others. More important, you are lying to yourself.

[spd2918]

I just read some reviews of the new law and found it is still perfectly legal to video people in public, including police.

What is not legal is to publish officers' personal information with the intent to harass them or cause others to harass them. It is illegal in many states to publish anyone's personal information with the intent to harass.

People may not be aware but many police officers are harassed for just being police officers. Vandalized homes / cars, nuisance 3am phone calls, followed in stores, their kids bullied at school, etc. Its sad, but true.

I'd have preferred Oklahoma put out the same law without regard to ones employment, but maybe they were pulling a public political stunt to show support for a group being demonized by the current crop of leftists.

[OhioBuckeye]

I agree with what most people are saying here but if George Floyd was so bad why is he walking the streets, is it because he’s done his time. I saw the video & saw he was cuffed so he couldn’t fight back but to kneel on his neck until he died was murder. Why was the officer kneeling on him for so long, I think this peticular policeman had it in for him, he said he was trained to do this but I guess in his training they forgot to tell him that the suspect has to breath now & then, he knew exactly what was going to happen. Floyd didn’t fight, he couldn’t. But in defense of the police, people are nuts if they defund the police. If I’m a good citizen & I give up my guns who’s going to the wrong side of town to tell the criminal to give their guns, some politician. Then who going to protect you when one of the wrong side of town people starts shooting your family, the police, your 357 mag. hand gun, oh yea we don’t have police protection, & we gave up our guns. These 2 things are dumb Nazi ideas! Use your common sense people. Floyd died unnecessarily & the police officer went to jail because if he didn’t I think the judge & the police man & lawyer would of probably had major destruction done to their family & property. Just my opinion!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by DAVES

The race card. I suggest to all that you use my simple yet difficult to actually do.
Simply in your mind reverse the skin color. If, that then reverses your view you have a problem. Sometimes we call that white guilt. I am white, I do not have white guilt.
The charge of racist is truly powerful. A big reason for that is it is impossible to prove you are not racist. Reality check. You meet someone. To claim you are not aware it is male, female, old, young, thin, fit, fat well dressed, black, white, hispanic, oriental etc etc etc. You are lying to others. More important, you are lying to yourself.

That's one way I can see very plainly that someone has an obvious prejudice or bias. It isn't truly racism, but you don't have to be a racist to have a prejudice or bias toward or against "other."

When someone says "when I see this person, I don't see color. There are no races, we are all the same" they're lying. Either to everyone else, or to themselves. They're saying words, making sounds that they feel will prove that they're not exactly what they are: people who judge others based on how they appear.

There's no shame in having a bias. We all have them. No one is exempt. The shame is when you lie about it to prove a point that you can't prove, because the point is based on the lie.

In college, I hung out with homeless people. All colors, sizes, abilities/disabilities, backgrounds, ethnicities. And yet, when I see panhandlers here, I can feel my heart rate go up. I wonder if they'll try to reach into my open window of my car and take something. It's a bias that I'm not proud of, but I acknowledge it and accept it.

In high school, I dated a Puerto Rican, and I used to ride my bicycle in the summer to his house in a low-income neighborhood in the city to visit him. While I never felt nervous riding through that neighborhood, I DO feel nervous when I'm the only white woman an elevator of all Latino men.

Some of the homeless folks I hung out with were black. We shared a quart together on the banks of the Charles River, we played music together outside the Harvard Coop for money, we sat in Harvard Square til 3 in the morning after everything shut down, talking about life. I never felt uncomfortable with them, they welcomed me into their circle and I was blessed for it.

But you'd better believe if I saw a bunch of black guys coming toward me at night when I'm alone, I'd get nervous. I'm not proud of that. But I acknowledge and accept it.

Don't lie to yourselves, people who want to pretend that you believe we're all the same, just to prove your point. Don't lie to everyone else either. Unless you are blind and deaf, you WILL have a trigger reaction to anything you consider "other" than yourself.

Black folks have no problem recognizing this. I think their biggest issue, if you were to bring it to its absolute core, is that white folks recognize it, and will either a) deny the recognition or b) use it as an excuse to purposefully treat "other" differently.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by tvbound

"Is this sinking in yet? His past history does not impact how Chauvin's nine minutes on his neck are judged. I know, big scary Black man right? It does not matter. Neither you, nor I, nor convicted murderer Chauvin have the right to kill him."

For all too many, it will never sink in that a cop who has no idea at the time of a person's previous history, of whom are unarmed and that they have completely under control, doesn't give them the right to murder them. The attempt to justify Chauvin having the authority to act as judge, jury and executioner, is primarily driven as you stated because he was "a big scary black man." The "Chauvin probably killed him, BUT he had it coming" crowd - is pretty sickening.

Please point out who, on this thread who used the term "big scary black man".

Who said on this thread, "Chauvin killed him, but he had it coming".

Who even defended Derek Chauvin on this thread?

Many times on the way to a police call, if the person who is the subject of the arrest is known by name, they will run the name if they have time to see if he/she has a record. I would guess so that they know just what they might expect to deal with in the way of behavior. Many domestic calls for example are repeat calls and they may know what they might expect and know the danger level to the people involved and to law enforcement.

I would think that they do make summary judgements on the way as to where they are going is a high crime area or a low crime area. I think I would if I were a police officer.

But perhaps, just perhaps that isn't essentially racist? More just general knowledge??

And, I say again, if the procedure is allowed when a person is violently resisting arrest, than it is not a personal attempt to kill someone. He should have known. OH YES. He was a jerk. OH Yes. But did he sit there with thoughts of killing him????

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by DAVES

The race card. I suggest to all that you use my simple yet difficult to actually do.
Simply in your mind reverse the skin color. If, that then reverses your view you have a problem. Sometimes we call that white guilt. I am white, I do not have white guilt.
The charge of racist is truly powerful. A big reason for that is it is impossible to prove you are not racist. Reality check. You meet someone. To claim you are not aware it is male, female, old, young, thin, fit, fat well dressed, black, white, hispanic, oriental etc etc etc. You are lying to others. More important, you are lying to yourself.

The thing that stands out to me regarding race in this particular case is that the prosecutors did not charge him with hate crimes. If they thought that race had anything to do with his actions, they surely would have added additional hate crimes charges.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by choppers62

What about Chauvin's police history? Should that have been brought up
also? He shouldn't have even been employed at the time of George Floyd arrest!!!

One of the things that I don't know was brought up was that Derek Chauvin and many other members of the Minneapolis police force used the knee on the neck technique a multitude of times and no one had ever died from it before. In fact there is video of Chauvin using it on a teenager for over 17 minutes with no adverse effects.

I don't know whether things in his background should have prevented Chauvin from being employed as a police officer. But I do know that if Floyd has simply gotten into the police car, he might be alive today.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by spd2918

I just read some reviews of the new law and found it is still perfectly legal to video people in public, including police.

What is not legal is to publish officers' personal information with the intent to harass them or cause others to harass them. It is illegal in many states to publish anyone's personal information with the intent to harass.

People may not be aware but many police officers are harassed for just being police officers. Vandalized homes / cars, nuisance 3am phone calls, followed in stores, their kids bullied at school, etc. Its sad, but true.

I'd have preferred Oklahoma put out the same law without regard to ones employment, but maybe they were pulling a public political stunt to show support for a group being demonized by the current crop of leftists.

Exactly. In spite of the misleading title of this thread, no one will be prevented from taking videos of police doing their job. What is prevented is posting on a public forum.

As I said in a previous post, if you have incriminating evidence of anything, the proper thing to do is to turn it over to authorities. The improper thing to do is to post it online.

[yanksansky]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I will count you as such.

I will also say that what he had done previously does matter. When someone says "He is a known felon" that does sway the opinion of most people. DEREK CHAUVIN may have not been a great cop, in fact may have been a lousy police officer, but he did not deliberately aim to kill the man. He was trying to restrain him. He was trying to restrain him. George Floyd would be alive today in a cell somewhere, if he had sit when he was told to SIT.

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE EXACTLY, in that situation if it was you and George Floyd, Bill???????????? Pretend he is white. Pretend he is Asian. Pretend he is Australian Aboriginal. Pretend he is a Pacific Islander. I don't see race as a factor here. But maybe YOU do???

You are wrong on every level of this thread.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by yanksansky

You are wrong on every level of this thread.

What would you have done, if you had been there to arrest George Floyd for passing a counterfeit twenty dollar bill and he resisted arrest when he was told to get out of his car and didn't and when he was told to sit down and didn't and, when he was told to stop thrashing and moving and didn't?

HOW exactly would you have handled the situation if you were a police officer? I think I might have tazed him. What would you have done? Do you agree he seemed under the influence of something in the tape standing inside of the store? Did you see the tape of George Floyd resisting the four officers and at times seem to be more powerful than all of them put together??

Would you simply have let him drive away?

If you knew that someone was a person who had been arrested and incarcerated, would that change your opinion of her/him? A little, not at all?

P.S. Yankansky. I just read every one of your prior posts and there is not a thing that I disagree with you on. I would have really thought that you would agree with me on this one. Perhaps you did not understand my intent. I also sense you are a female person? Some say gender doesn't matter, but it really defines my responses in many ways. I am smaller and weaker than most men I know.

I am not defending Derek Chauvin. He seems to have had a lot of criticism before this happened and it appeared warranted.
My point was that George Floyd was resisting arrest physically and was large and looked very powerful physically.

My point really is that if George Floyd had done what he was told to do by the arresting police officer(s) he would be alive today. It never once occurred to me that race had anything to do with his death.

Here is a video of a large white man resisting arrest and who stole the police officer's car;
video of a large white man on drugs resisting arrest. - Bing video

[KYtoTV2021]

Perhaps you would prefer to have George Floyd (25 arrests) as your neighbor instead of Derek Chauvin. If you say you would, you are either disingenuous or ...beyond hope.

Three other officers were on scene and did not object to how George was handled. This dude was high on illegal drugs and resisting arrest -- as has been the case in nearly every single "high-profile" case of police shooting a black male.

Since the George Floyd death, blacks have murdered over 11,000 other blacks (and over 1,000 whites)..........NAME ONE.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by yanksansky

You are wrong on every level of this thread.

Did you happen to see the analysis of this situation by a retired investigator of these cases which included the FULL video with drug results for Floyd?

I believe Floyd was 85% responsible for what went down. He suffered from severe hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease with meth and fentanyl intoxication and again was committing a crime. Why was he not held responsible for the trauma that he created through his choices? It is a tragedy his life was lost but how much of this was by his own hand. When do we all become responsible for our own actions?

[quietpine]

Everyone is equal under the law. Without that protection welcome to N Korea or Jan 6

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by quietpine

Everyone is equal under the law. Without that protection welcome to N Korea or Jan 6

And that means that everyone needs to obey the laws regarding drug abuse, criminal activities, driving under the influence and so forth, right?