[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Your right and I commend the millions of Colorado citizens that steeped up to be one of the early states. We must not allow old the sky is falling mentality to slow the evolution of our country. CO will go into the history books as Hero's in years to come.

No wonder our country is going down the tubes.....

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by PennBF

It is interesting that there is a very limited if any who have actually compared the bad effects of marjuana and any good sides. This includes the few who have done any homework on the physical and mental harms created by the drug. We have the ones who like to compare this gateway drug to alcohol and ignore the serious and medical harm pot does, (e.g. harm to unborn babies, shrinks the stem of the brain, serious medical harm to persons 18 and under and brain damage to those older adults. and many many etc's.) How many have seen a drug abuser or alcoholic in the throws of a seizure? I promise you that once you have witnessed that you will have second thoughts about drugs and drinking.
To end this I suggest you take a sponge, put it in the sun and let it really dry out and then put it in your hands and squeeze it hard and watch it crumple into sand. You have now witnessed cirrous of the liver. How are drugged and medically impaired citizens building a better community, family life, etc.

It is sad isnt it ?

I began this thread and as I have said, the initial intent was to show the degradation of our society, and was shocked that so many people just do not pay attention. Just on the marijuana situation alone...I think a poster commented that maybe people just like to seem cool.....it must be....every single medical and psychiatric group in the USA opposes it, yet out of just sheer frustration of the effort of getting it under control, we say we are ok with having this stuff on the street legally.

I do not care what the age requirement is...it is a DRUG...a MOOD ENHANCER...a MIND ALTERING DRUG, that we want to make legal.

The comparison to alcohol stuns me. The experience our society has/is experienced with alcohol should teach us something. Marijuana use will make alcohol use pale in comparison, yet even though all the professionals keep telling us that, we have these folks who want to make it legal. It is stunning to me.

I never thought the day would come that we would even venture a conversation about a DRUG to make us feel good.....and while I will not be alive, what is the next drug that is pushed to make legal ?

Glaucoma was the first thing I heard could be treated medically with marijuana.....the United States Glaucoma society is against this legalization.

This is from the National Institute of Drug Abuse..

"Along with euphoria, relaxation is another frequently reported effect in human studies. Other effects, which vary dramatically among different users, include heightened sensory perception (e.g., brighter colors), laughter, altered perception of time, and increased appetite. After a while, the euphoria subsides, and the user may feel sleepy or depressed. Occasionally, marijuana use may produce anxiety, fear, distrust, or panic.

Marijuana use impairs a person's ability to form new memories (see below) and to shift focus. THC also disrupts coordination and balance by binding to receptors in the cerebellum and basal ganglia—parts of the brain that regulate balance, posture, coordination, and reaction time. Therefore, learning, doing complicated tasks, participating in athletics, and driving are also affected."

How does marijuana use affect your brain and body? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)

Yet people come on here and find it ok that their children and grandchildren may take this drug legally !!!

I read about people who post on here that used it and said it is no big deal....possibly for you.....do you ever wonder about those who did not share your luck.....are they the ones that these groups speak of.


PS....I apologize. I posted here that I started this thread...I did not...I started one with the same title but this is new and I did not start it, however my remarks remain as my opinion

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Just trying to get out the facts to counter the false statements from others. Note, I use sources and there not just silly talking heads.

Real Facts:

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...#ixzz2vKts36RT

GRAND JUNCTION — In two years of work as an undercover officer with a drug task force, Mike Dillon encountered plenty of drugs. But nothing has surprised him as much as what he has seen in schools lately.

Dillon, who is now a school resource officer with the Mesa County Sheriff's Department, said he is seeing more and younger kids bringing marijuana to schools, in sometimes-surprising quantities.

"When we have middle school kids show up with a half an ounce, that is shocking to me," Dillon said.

The same phenomenon is being reported around Colorado after the 2010 regulation of medical marijuana dispensaries and the 2012 vote to legalize recreational marijuana.

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There are no hard numbers yet because school disciplinary statistics do not isolate marijuana from general drug violations. But school resource officers, counselors, nurses, staff and officials with Colorado school safety and disciplinary programs are anecdotally reporting an increase in marijuana-related incidents in middle and high schools.

"We have seen a sharp rise in drug-related disciplinary actions which, anecdotally, from credible sources, is being attributed to the changing social norms surrounding marijuana," said Janelle Krueger. Krueger is the program manager for Expelled and At-Risk Student Services for the Colorado Department of Education

Krueger said school officials believe the jump is linked to the message that legalization (even though it is still prohibited for anyone under 21) is sending to kids: that marijuana is a medicine and a safe and accepted recreational activity. It is also believed to be more available.

Marijuana that parents or other adults might have kept hidden in the past may now be left in the open, where it is easier for kids to dip into it to sell, use or, in some cases, simply to show off, said school officials and law enforcement.

"They just want to be cool," said Dillon of some of the younger students he has seen with pot at school.

Krueger, who has been an adviser to resource officers across Colorado for 17 years, said she has heard many stories from officers about kids bringing pot to schools.

One that an officer related at a meeting recently involved a student dropping a small baggie of marijuana from his pocket as he was walking down a school hallway. The school principal was walking past the student at the time and picked up the pot. He asked the student if it belonged to him. The student immediately admitted it was his and reached out to take it back from the principal.

What struck Krueger and the officer about this incident was the fact that the student didn't seem to realize that there was anything wrong with having the pot or that there would be any disciplinary consequence for it. The officer said the student acted like having marijuana was an ordinary thing and no big deal.

Jeff Grady, a Grand Junction school resource officer who has spent 25 years working in schools, tells a story about sitting in his car at a park near Grand Junction High School one day watching groups of kids through binoculars because they come to the park to smoke on lunch breaks.

"Kids are smoking before school and during lunch breaks. They come into school reeking of pot," he said. "They are being much more brazen."

He said school officials call him and he talks to the kids, but it is a little more difficult now to cite them if they aren't caught in the act. They can say that they were around an adult medical marijuana user and weren't smoking themselves, Grady said.


http://speaknowcolorado.org/fact-zon...juana-alcohol/

[Golfingnut]

Why give one man medical marijuana yet not another?

Onswipe

[Golfingnut]

It is the law in many states now an will soon be the law of the entire country. The fact that old people are the main objection to this coming attraction proves to me that it is right to legalize it.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Bucco

It is sad isnt it ?

I began this thread and as I have said, the initial intent was to show the degradation of our society, and was shocked that so many people just do not pay attention. Just on the marijuana situation alone...I think a poster commented that maybe people just like to seem cool.....it must be....every single medical and psychiatric group in the USA opposes it, yet out of just sheer frustration of the effort of getting it under control, we say we are ok with having this stuff on the street legally.

I do not care what the age requirement is...it is a DRUG...a MOOD ENHANCER...a MIND ALTERING DRUG, that we want to make legal.

The comparison to alcohol stuns me. The experience our society has/is experienced with alcohol should teach us something. Marijuana use will make alcohol use pale in comparison, yet even though all the professionals keep telling us that, we have these folks who want to make it legal. It is stunning to me.

I never thought the day would come that we would even venture a conversation about a DRUG to make us feel good.....and while I will not be alive, what is the next drug that is pushed to make legal ?

Glaucoma was the first thing I heard could be treated medically with marijuana.....the United States Glaucoma society is against this legalization.

This is from the National Institute of Drug Abuse..

"Along with euphoria, relaxation is another frequently reported effect in human studies. Other effects, which vary dramatically among different users, include heightened sensory perception (e.g., brighter colors), laughter, altered perception of time, and increased appetite. After a while, the euphoria subsides, and the user may feel sleepy or depressed. Occasionally, marijuana use may produce anxiety, fear, distrust, or panic.

Marijuana use impairs a person's ability to form new memories (see below) and to shift focus. THC also disrupts coordination and balance by binding to receptors in the cerebellum and basal ganglia—parts of the brain that regulate balance, posture, coordination, and reaction time. Therefore, learning, doing complicated tasks, participating in athletics, and driving are also affected."

How does marijuana use affect your brain and body? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)

Yet people come on here and find it ok that their children and grandchildren may take this drug legally !!!

I read about people who post on here that used it and said it is no big deal....possibly for you.....do you ever wonder about those who did not share your luck.....are they the ones that these groups speak of.


PS....I apologize. I posted here that I started this thread...I did not...I started one with the same title but this is new and I did not start it, however my remarks remain as my opinion

LOL. You? Began this thread. LOL

[Golfingnut]

Facts from a fact based source.
Marijuana Research - Scientific American

[Golfingnut]

Just for in uninformed please.

13 Historical People Who Smoked Weed | Marijuana Use Through History (Page 6)

[graciegirl]

I keep thinking about the fall of Rome.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I keep thinking about the fall of Rome.

I would rather see the USA fall than continue on its path to becoming a kingdom with 99% of us at the whim of its dictator style 1%.





No I don't thinks things are that bad, but the rich are getting closer to that every day. If they could see a profit in medical or even recreational marijuana, it would over the counter right now.

[gomoho]

Golfingnut - you've made your position quite clear, but what about the unintended consequences we are already seeing with the kids. We are sending the message that marijuana is fine to use as a recreational drug if you are over 21 - how to convince them in their youth it can ruin their brains and bodies. And please don't use the alcohol argument, because that doesn't justify this new harm we are putting out there for them to consider. And don't say "they are going to do it anyway" 'cause though that is true how many more will now get involved because we have said it's fine - once you're 21.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Just for in uninformed please.

13 Historical People Who Smoked Weed | Marijuana Use Through History (Page 6)

That is an interesting list. I am pretty sure Joan of Arc would be labeled a paranoid schizophrenic if she tried making a similar approach to the French President today about removing some invading force based upon her hearing the voices of some angel only she sees.

Ben Franklin used to love airing himself out naked in the morning. Not sure if I do that I will become famous.

And early most mornings, before he set to work, Franklin would sit, he wrote to a friend in France in 1768, “without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season,” at his open, first-floor window, letting the air circulate over his, by then, considerable bulk. What the neighbors thought is apparently not recorded.


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[TexaninVA]

[QUOTE=Golfingnut;841627]I would rather see the USA fall than continue on its path to becoming a kingdom with 99% of us at the whim of its dictator style 1%.

This has to be one of the most provocative and off the wall comments I've ever seen on TOTV ...

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Golfingnut - you've made your position quite clear, but what about the unintended consequences we are already seeing with the kids. We are sending the message that marijuana is fine to use as a recreational drug if you are over 21 - how to convince them in their youth it can ruin their brains and bodies. And please don't use the alcohol argument, because that doesn't justify this new harm we are putting out there for them to consider. And don't say "they are going to do it anyway" 'cause though that is true how many more will now get involved because we have said it's fine - once you're 21.

I don't see any difference be it legal or not. I do see the honest citizen that would not use it even to help with a medical issue unless prescribed by a Dr. Those folks are my intended recipients.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Golfingnut - you've made your position quite clear, but what about the unintended consequences we are already seeing with the kids. We are sending the message that marijuana is fine to use as a recreational drug if you are over 21 - how to convince them in their youth it can ruin their brains and bodies. And please don't use the alcohol argument, because that doesn't justify this new harm we are putting out there for them to consider. And don't say "they are going to do it anyway" 'cause though that is true how many more will now get involved because we have said it's fine - once you're 21.

Excellent point ... while all the cool baby boomers want to smoke recreational dope, no one has yet talked about the predictably negative impact on our kids and grandkids.