[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Facts from a fact based source.
Marijuana Research - Scientific American

I have looked at this and it appears that the premise is not supporting the use of marijuana but discussing problems doing research of it.


"Yet outdated regulations and attitudes thwart legitimate research with marijuana."

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I have looked at this and it appears that the premise is not supporting the use of marijuana but discussing problems doing research of it.


"Yet outdated regulations and attitudes thwart legitimate research with marijuana."

Good catch.

[Golfingnut]

Go back even farther before we demonized it.

Alcohol Kills Brain Cells, But Marijuana Doesn't - Gaia HealthGaia Health

[PennBF]

Just as some background. I am speaking from the standpoint of having about 50-60 years of professional, Licenced Therypists who have treated Drug and Alcoholics in both Treatment Centers and Private Patients. They have seen the real affects of the drugs including Marijuana, Meth, Coke, et al. They have seen the patient come in who started on pot and is now a full fledged Heroin user and has a wet brain. the achololic who has destroyed their family and children because of the drinking. Ask him/her and they don't relate to the harm to the family. They know that alcohol effects "every organ" of the body. Do we need another drug in the system. Heck no. The best news is that it is anticipated the vote to make pot legal in Florida will fail. Lets all hope this is true. It would be helpful if some of the people in favor of the drug go to an Ala Non meeting and hear the impacts from the family standpoint or to an AA meeting and get some real feedback from how easy it is to go from "recreational" to "hard core" usage.
I am not a "nut" on this subject but have heard the facts from the real Professionals and understand how harmful this is and have to speak out to neutralize some of the ones who like the idea of drugs.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Just as some background. I am speaking from the standpoint of having about 50-60 years of professional, Licenced Therypists who have treated Drug and Alcoholics in both Treatment Centers and Private Patients. They have seen the real affects of the drugs including Marijuana, Meth, Coke, et al. They have seen the patient come in who started on pot and is now a full fledged Heroin user and has a wet brain. the achololic who has destroyed their family and children because of the drinking. Ask him/her and they don't relatie to the harm to the family. They know that alcohol effects "every organ" of the body. Do we need another drug in the system. Heck no. The best news is that it is anticipated the vote to make pot legal in Florida will fail. Lets all hope this is true. It would be helpful if some of the people in favor of the drug go to an Ala Non meeting and hear the impacts from the family standpoint or to an AA meeting and get some real feedback from how easy it is to go from "recreational" to "hard core" usage.
I am not a "nut" on this subject but have heard the facts from the real Professionals and understand how harmful this is and have to speak out to neutralize some of the ones who like the idea of drugs.

I truly respect you history and position on DRUGS. We are discussing the recreational and medical use of marijuana. That is a far cry from a heroine addict.
Introductory drugs could easily be Red Bull, alcohol, cigarettes, and so on. As a therapist I'm sure you recognize addicts have other emotional reasons that cause them to become dependent on stronger and stronger methods to satisfy their need to get high. They will get there if they have to spray paint into a bag and huff it. Putting the guilt on Marijuana (in my opinion) is at the minimum a cop out. Add that to the medical benefits and legalizing marijuana is the financial, and Christian thing to do.

[graciegirl]

I feel as if I just smoked a joint. Things are not making sense and I'm hungry.

[Golfingnut]

The more I read posts that are serious rather than sarcastic, I also find myself leaning toward only legalization for medical purposes, but never will I change opinion on that nor will I understand anyone's desire to hold back medical help to anyone that needs it.

[graciegirl]

When is sarcasm witty?


When is a point made?


When is is best not to oversell your idea or product or belief or view or ...?

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

When is sarcasm witty?


When is a point made?


When is is best not to oversell your idea or product or belief or view or ...?

I have no idea, but the cut off I use is when personally directed with the apparent intent to demean, embarrass or insult another person.

[PennBF]

Making it legal is really exploiting the health of the youth for the purpose of allowing adults to "get high". The easier it is to get the more they will use it including the young and adults who are unable to control "drugs" because of the medical/physical aspects of the cheminstry of the brain. A writer is right that some will go to any lengths to get high. That is because there is in some a cheministry in the brain that demands more and more of drugs once it is introduced. Will not go into the medical descriptions of this just that it is a fact and what drives a lot of drug users. Introducing pot to more and more young people will and historically has caused at a minimum 20% to move on to harder drugs and if lucky will end up in a Rehab facility that educates them on the harm of using. As far as for "Medical Usage" I think that has some good points. Unfortunately the average Dr. is not really highly educated on drugs and therefore they are prone to prescribe them without knowing what it means if they "misdiagnosis" which many do. I know of one case where the Dr. gave a patient with a slight bone crack in the arm 100 oxycodones. That is a terrible thing but fortunately the patients knew and threw 95 away. Today that is the most addictive drug on the market. It should take an expert on drug usage/effects to approve a Dr.s prescription of pot for medical purposes. and the penalty should be great to the Dr. if they misuse the right to prescribe. It is naive and lack of knowledge to favor pot for any other reason than medical. To compare one drug, (e.g. acoholol vs pot) against another is really silly. It usually means someone is actually trying to say one drug is not as bad as another. They are all bad.! It could be said a room full of pot smokers and the smoke is worse than a room full of drunks. Here we go again..

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Making it legal is really exploiting the health of the youth for the purpose of allowing adults to "get high". The easier it is to get the more they will use it including the young and adults who are unable to control "drugs" because of the medical/physical aspects of the cheminstry of the brain. A writer is right that some will go to any lengths to get high. That is because there is in some a cheministry in the brain that demands more and more of drugs once it is introduced. Will not go into the medical descriptions of this just that it is a fact and what drives a lot of drug users. Introducing pot to more and more young people will and historically has caused at a minimum 20% to move on to harder drugs and if lucky will end up in a Rehab facility that educates them on the harm of using. As far as for "Medical Usage" I think that has some good points. Unfortunately the average Dr. is not really highly educated on drugs and therefore they are prone to prescribe them without knowing what it means if they "misdiagnosis" which many do. I know of one case where the Dr. gave a patient with a slight bone crack in the arm 100 oxycodones. That is a terrible thing but fortunately the patients knew and threw 95 away. Today that is the most addictive drug on the market. It should take an expert on
drug usage/effects to approve a Dr.s prescription of pot for medical purposes. and the penaly should be great to the Dr. if they misuse the right to prescribe. It is naive and lack of knowledge to favor pot for any other reason
than medical. To compare one drug, (e.g. acoholol vs pot) against another is really silly. It usually means someone is actually trying to say one drug is not as bad as another. They are all bad.! It could be said a room full of pot smokers and the smoke is worse than a room full of drunks. Here we go again..

Wonderful post. Thank you for your expert input.