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Maybe I'm missing something about "Medical" marijuana...

Medical marijuana has the THC removed and is NOT smoked, nor do you get "high" from it. It's also prescribed by a Dr. Seems to me that voting against "medical marijuana" is no different than voting against any other prescription medication.

I did not see the piece with Mr. Morgan... But, I have talked to people about this subject and they were definitely voting NO! They had no reason other than it was marijuana...no research, nothing. They hear the word MARIJUANA and immediately envision their Grandkids cruising Sunset Blvd. with Cheech and Chong!

So, in the end, marijuana is a victim of it's own name. IF this medication had be called pfizhandioumin, with the associated 3 paragraphs of warnings and side effects, it would be a no brainer...

Just my 2 cents on this subject...
Hi memason: The termed Charlotte's web was an oil extract from marijuana that had no high effect. I am not certain of its efficacy but support that type of study PROVIDED its use is strictly monitored so society does not end up with another opoid problem.

Morgan in my personal view is not a very nice individual and he catered to groups of people who really wanted this bill passed as an advance to recreational marijuana. If you read the definition of a care giver in the now defeated Amendment 2 a drug dealer could qualify.
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Old 11-06-2014, 08:29 AM
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I remember from Morgan's ads before the election that his brother was helped from using marijuana. I also remember from a prior commercial that the brother in question works at the Morgan Law firm. Does this brother get his marijuaha legally? I think not!! I think Morgan is trying to legitimize his brother's illegal activity.
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I'm relieved the pot bill did not pass. Driving the roundabouts is challenging enough for some sober people. I don't want to think about being on the road with people leaving the squares intoxicated AND SMOKING POT. It would be a disaster waiting to happen.
Do you really believe that there are not drivers on pot now using the roundabouts?
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Maybe I'm missing something about "Medical" marijuana...

Medical marijuana has the THC removed and is NOT smoked, nor do you get "high" from it. It's also prescribed by a Dr. Seems to me that voting against "medical marijuana" is no different than voting against any other prescription medication.

I did not see the piece with Mr. Morgan... But, I have talked to people about this subject and they were definitely voting NO! They had no reason other than it was marijuana...no research, nothing. They hear the word MARIJUANA and immediately envision their Grandkids cruising Sunset Blvd. with Cheech and Chong!

So, in the end, marijuana is a victim of it's own name. IF this medication had be called pfizhandioumin, with the associated 3 paragraphs of warnings and side effects, it would be a no brainer...

Just my 2 cents on this subject...
I am about to show my ignorance on this so bear with me. I have been exposed to marijuana years ago, never partook but am aware.....but...

1, If THC is removed, then the drug they want to legalize for medical reasons is NOT marijuana any longer....is that right ? Why then do they look for approval for MARIJUANA ?

2. Are there not already similiar drugs allowed for prescription that do bascilly the same thing as marijuana that are in fact THC based ? So why is marijuana so vital ? Seems to me, it is a gateway for recreational use but not sure about that.

3. Keep reading about law enforcement in Colorado speaking up on the ills of legalizing marijuana..this being the latest.....Colorado police chief visits Roanoke, talks about legalization of recreational marijuana Colorado police chief visits Roanoke, talks about legalization of recreational marijuana | Local News - WDBJ7.com Central and Southwest VA

I guess for me, I just ask why this country with all its problems, drugs included, would want to make this legal and allow our young people to get used to being high artificially . To me, at this point, we just seem to keep feeding the mantra of self absorption at the risk of a future large problem.

Be gentle, I admittely know very little, but legislating marijuana, to me, is so far down the chain of what this country needs I just find a lot of this stuff to be so trite.
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I voted NO because I saw what it did to my home state of Michigan.
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IMO weed no different than alcohol. How many people are driving around after happy hour? Like 70%? At least on weed low percentage of road rage? Nobody else can can control someone else's drug intake habit, yes alcohol drug IMO cause it alter's the mind and increase the chance by 600% you will do something stupid if you can't control your intake. Plenty of recent examples of that making headline news.

And no I don't do drugs and NEVER have.
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Do you really believe that there are not drivers on pot now using the roundabouts?

NO. I DO believe it. When Quirky3 did that poll on people for and against recreational marijuana, I was shocked.

Now when I hug my friends here, I give them a good sniff test.

They think I have chronic sinusitis.
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Those who have read my previous notes on this subject will know that I am 100% against making pot legal. I know the need for it for relief from some medical pain. I have a sister who had a 28 year old daughter who was a Captain in the Army, (Attorney) and she died of a brain tumor at Walter Reed Hospital. This was about 15-20 years ago and my sister, at some risk bought pot for her on the streets of Washington, DC. The reason it is not legal today is because of thure alleged corrupt and lousy Doctors who give prescriptions to anyone who say they are in pain in order to get it to get high. They are the ones who should be tried for mal practice since they have ruined some real needs for the drug. You have to have yo head in the sand not to know that is a serious problem. In order for some states to authorize it for those that have a real need they allegedly give it to all who will end up as addicts. Welcome to the portion of the medical profession who are allegedly corrupted and want more money than to live up to what they swore to. Yes, the younger part of our population will vote in favor as they are the same ones who want to have a high or a part of the "hand out" society we have become and they are addicted to. It is unfortunate that the profession that is to protect us has lost their way.
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Seniors don't really see a need for medical marijuana since they have alcohol and existing prescription drugs to medicate themselves.

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Had I remembered where I was to vote I would have voted against this legalization of medical marijuana. I do know the difference between the various drugs since I was a high school teacher and we made it our business to know.
I desperately believe it should be available for legitimate medical usuages as I saw the benefits when I treated people for cancer. I was against this particular amemendant because the wording was so nebulous. It was not written to included only the conditions which it would benefit but it was written so most people could get any amount of it anytime. It needs to be tightened up as to dosage, etc.
That being said, when my son was living down here for 8 months, he said that he was offered pot by many Villagers (i.e., OLD PEOPLE) who smoked it. The servers he worked with even told him where they all go to smoke it.
Sometimes we mistake the Bubbleness of TV for a real buble around us. If a person smoked pot or did drugs before they came, they would not likely quit because they came here.
I personally do not believe in using mind altering substances of any kind, but from the proponderance of liquor stores, we can assume Villagers use alcohol which I hate worse than pot use. I was raised by an alcoholic! Very NOT NICE.
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I have two acquaintances that were prescribed MM in CA....one eventually passed away and the other is still hanging on. Both exhausted the FDA approved drugs and none did any good. The MM greatly improved their quality of life. I suspect that sooner or later their will be a regulated product for MM but in the meantime, those that find it helps their conditions will also find a way to get marijuana through illegal sources and continue to fuel the illegal drug commerce. Seems that we went through this once before when the public found a way to obtain recreational alcohol........in fact, we still have recreational alcohol available.....which leads to alcoholism (addiction), disease and the unnecessary slaughter of our friends, family's and friends on both the highways and during moments of rage. I think the experiments in CO and WA will reveal that there is a ton of money that can be made by government through taxation and attitudes might then change.
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It's quite open to abuse by recreational users in CA. Note the terms "recommendation or approval" of a physician (not a "prescription").

"Although the Compassionate Use Act allows the use of medical marijuana by a patient upon the recommendation or approval of a physician, California physicians should bear in mind that marijuana is listed in Schedule I of the federal Controlled Substances Act, which means that it has no accepted medical use under federal law.

However, in Conant v. Walters (9th Cir.2002) F.3d 629 the United States Court of Appeals recognized that physicians have a constitutionally-protected right to discuss medical marijuana as a treatment option with their patients and make oral or written recommendation for medical marijuana. However, the court cautioned that physicians could exceed the scope of this constitutional protection if they conspire with, or aid and abet, their patients in obtaining medical marijuana.
Medical Marijuana | Medical Board of California

Why the federal government classifies marijuana like heroin

"To initiate a schedule, the DEA first asks if a drug can be abused. If the answer is yes, then it's put on a schedule. If no, the drug is left out. After that, the drug's relative potential for abuse and medical value are evaluated to decide where on the scale it lands.

The two big issues, then, are a drug's potential for abuse and medical value. Congress did not clearly define abuse under the Controlled Substances Act. But for federal agencies responsible for classifying drugs, abuse is when individuals take a substance on their own initiative and develop personal health hazards or pose other risks to society as a whole.

To find medical value, a drug must have large-scale clinical trials to back it up — similar to what the Food and Drug Administration would expect from any other drug entering the market.

There are five schedules: schedule 1 drugs are determined to have high potential for abuse and no accepted medical use, while schedule 5 drugs are considered to have low potential for abuse and some medical value.

Some examples of the drugs that are on each schedule:

Schedule 1: marijuana, heroin, LSD, ecstasy, and magic mushrooms.


Schedule 2: cocaine, meth, oxycodone, Adderall, Ritalin, and Vicodin……"

Why the federal government classifies marijuana like heroin - Vox
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I suspect that sooner or later their will be a regulated product for MM but in the meantime, those that find it helps their conditions will also find a way to get marijuana through illegal sources and continue to fuel the illegal drug commerce. Seems that we went through this once before when the public found a way to obtain recreational alcohol........in fact, we still have recreational alcohol available.....which leads to alcoholism (addiction), disease and the unnecessary slaughter of our friends, family's and friends on both the highways and during moments of rage. I think the experiments in CO and WA will reveal that there is a ton of money that can be made by government through taxation and attitudes might then change.
I would like to see MM available, but only with a doctor's prescription.
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I have two acquaintances that were prescribed MM in CA....one eventually passed away and the other is still hanging on. Both exhausted the FDA approved drugs and none did any good. The MM greatly improved their quality of life. I suspect that sooner or later their will be a regulated product for MM but in the meantime, those that find it helps their conditions will also find a way to get marijuana through illegal sources and continue to fuel the illegal drug commerce. Seems that we went through this once before when the public found a way to obtain recreational alcohol........in fact, we still have recreational alcohol available.....which leads to alcoholism (addiction), disease and the unnecessary slaughter of our friends, family's and friends on both the highways and during moments of rage. I think the experiments in CO and WA will reveal that there is a ton of money that can be made by government through taxation and attitudes might then change.

And now you can add Alaska, Oregon and the District of Columbia to the list that voted to allow recreational marijuana, in addition to the 23 states that now allow medical marijuana. Fifty-seven percent voted in favor in Florida, unfortunately that fell just short of the sixty percent required.
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I voted NO because I saw what it did to my home state of Michigan.
What were the downfalls of MM in Michigan?
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