[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by CFrance

It's not a witch hunt when the culprit is admitting some of the deeds.

People are not all black or white. There is some good and bad in all of us. It just depends which side of that wins out. Or where one's head goes once achieving wealth and stardom.

Compare Matt Lauer to Paul Newman.

Neither of us know either of them so we don't really know how they act in their real world.

My point is that a man can be a "victim" if someone lies about him.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Neither of us know either of them so we don't really know how they act in their real world.

My point is that a man can be a "victim" if someone lies about him.

You must think Bill Cosby was a victim also. These men are rich and powerful and have egos the size of Chicago. They think the rules do not apply to them and now they are finding out that they do so finally some real change for women who have been victimized for years.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by fw102807

You must think Bill Cosby was a victim also. These men are rich and powerful and have egos the size of Chicago. They think the rules do not apply to them and now they are finding out that they do so finally some real change for women who have been victimized for years.

If a man is rich and powerful he is all of those things?

Automatically?

If a woman is rich and powerful does she have an ego the size of New York?

Is being financially successful and attaining one's goals harmful to your soul?

No I don't think Bill Cosby was a victim. Anyone who wants to have sex with someone who is unconscious is a sick person.

Matt Lauer may be just as sick.

My point is that someone can be a victim if someone lies about him.

I haven't always been an old unattractive woman. I have lived in this world.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

If a man is rich and powerful he is all of those things?

Automatically?

If a woman is rich and powerful does she have an ego the size of New York?

Is being financially successful and attaining one's goals harmful to your soul?

No I don't think Bill Cosby was a victim. Anyone who wants to have sex with someone who is unconscious is a sick person.

Matt Lauer may be just as sick.

My point is that someone can be a victim if someone lies about him.

I haven't always been an old unattractive woman. I have lived in this world.

Multiple victims have accused Matt Lauer and he has admitted to wrongdoing. What more do you need?

[graciegirl]

transiberian christmas canon - Bing

[sallybowron]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Let's not forget, we are all sinners.

We are by nature sinful and unclean. We have sinned against God in thought, word, and deed, by what we have done and by what we have left undone.

I pray for all.

Thank you for your prayers buy I couldn't disagree more.
IMHO GOD created us in his image which is GOOD.
when we sin we choose to disregard that creation by being sinful.
It is a choice we make not an inherent depravity we give in to.
When in my twenties I worked nights to put myself through XRAY school. Most nights a doctor came by and offered me $20.00 to relieve his loneliness. He said he was away from home so much he didn't get his needs met. I told him to go home plus even if I did agree, I was worth far more than that.
I told my mother about this and she said that when she worked at the ordinance during WWII they officers propositioned them a lot. This is obviously not a new thing. Hopefully all the new attention sexual impropriety is getting will make life easier for our grandchildren. My grand daughters don't need to be harassed and my grandsons don't need to feel it is okay if they harass.

[billethkid]

There is nothing new in the world of men and women.
What is going on today is no different than has been going on since there were men and women.

So what is different. Technology. The ability to communicate instantly with no requirement of truth being the primary driver. Add to that the politics, the special interests, the legal scavengers, the sensationalism mongers and the much lower moral values of our time.
In aggregate they create a more tolerant/permissive environment for many issues that once were held very private or were simply not allowed.

And then we have the ever present mystery of those who would accuse that have been silent for 10-40 years.

Nothing new. No more than ever before. Just more ability to tell more people almost instantly....with no verification needed.

Originally Posted by billethkid

There is nothing new in the world of men and women.
What is going on today is no different than has been going on since there were men and women.

So what is different. Technology. The ability to communicate instantly with no requirement of truth being the primary driver. Add to that the politics, the special interests, the legal scavengers, the sensationalism mongers and the much lower moral values of our time.
In aggregate they create a more tolerant/permissive environment for many issues that once were held very private or were simply not allowed.

And then we have the ever present mystery of those who would accuse that have been silent for 10-40 years.

Nothing new. No more than ever before. Just more ability to tell more people almost instantly....with no verification needed.

You miss the point which is that yes it has been going on since the beginning of time, but it will no longer be tolerated. Many women have been victimized and been too ashamed to talk about it for 10-40 years whether you want to believe it or not.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by fw102807

You miss the point which is that yes it has been going on since the beginning of time, but it will no longer be tolerated. Many women have been victimized and been too ashamed to talk about it for 10-40 years whether you want to believe it or not.

You are right, but to be fair;

man released from prison. woman said she lied about rape - Bing

We are not talking about rape. We are talking about intimidation and bullying that has been condoned too long by the boys will be boys mentality that has allowed these men to not only get away with it but brag about it to their friends. This behavior is repetitive and easily verified. I worked with an attorney who used to brag that he had been f*****g 20 year olds for 20 years.

[ColdNoMore]

To be even MORE fair......

Why Don't Victims of Sexual Harassment Come Forward Sooner? | Psychology Today

It is amazing how many people shift the blame onto alleged victims, asking why they waited until now.

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission reports receiving 12,000 allegations of sex-based harassment each year, with women accounting for about 83 percent of the complainants. That figure is believed to be just the tip of the iceberg.

In a study issued last year, the co-chairwomen of a commission task force said that roughly three to four people experiencing such harassment never tell anyone in authority about it.

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

To be even MORE fair......

Why Don't Victims of Sexual Harassment Come Forward Sooner? | Psychology Today

Exactly!

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by sallybowron

IMHO GOD created us in his image which is GOOD.
when we sin we choose to disregard that creation by being sinful.
It is a choice we make not an inherent depravity we give in to.

Or

So, the Bible certainly does teach that we are born in sin. Did God just arbitrarily decide people were going to be born sinful? The answer is found in connection with the first man, Adam. When Adam was created (without sin) by God and placed in the garden of Eden, he was also given a simple law (Genesis 2:16–17). Adam disobeyed God’s law, and God pronounced him guilty and sentenced him to death. It was Adam’s choice to disobey that made him guilty before God. He was the father of the human race, and his traits were passed on to his children. Romans 5:12 says that sin entered the world through Adam, and death came through sin, because all sinned. As descendants of Adam, we received the sin nature passed down from our fathers. That makes us born in sin, with a natural inclination to do wrong.

[CFrance]

We Presbys were not born in sin. Don't know how we got out of it.

Oh wait, I take that back. I was confusing it with our being "saved."

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by CFrance

We Presbys were not born in sin. Don't know how we got out of it.