[Pturner]

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Do you know for a fact that he is not in therapy? Is he on probation? Does he still talk to groups about the dangers of hurting animals? Do you know if he was classified as having a mental illness. Maybe he was just brought up like that. Maybe he was taught those things. Maybe it is like a wife beater who knows other way because his father did that?

A bit off-topic, but in response to this post...

So, do you do believe that assaulting a wife is no worse than assaulting a dog? And that both are understandable if that's how a person was raised?

It seems to me that both wife and animal abusers do know right from wrong, regardless of what they were taught. Do you agree? Both deny their crimes to authorities when confronted, for example.

No matter what one was taught, do you agree that their criminal behavior, whether assaulting wife or dog, is a choice?

Villagegolfer, it sounds from your post that perhaps you see this differently. Thanks for any clarification.

[Doodlegirl]

The same man who mercilessly abused him. By hand, in the backyard of his home, reached in and yanked his vocal cords with a fork. Four years ago I found a Veterinary Surgeon who specializes in these repairs (seems it is an old school way of debarking a dog) and knew the story through a website for which I am e-agent, and as a gift for my work in rescue of this specific breed of dog, he performed corrective surgery as best as was possible. Gus can now "woof", but seldom does.

[villagegolfer]

Originally Posted by Pturner

A bit off-topic, but in response to this post...

So, do you do believe that assaulting a wife is no worse than assaulting a dog? And that both are understandable if that's how a person was raised?

It seems to me that both wife and animal abusers do know right from wrong, regardless of what they were taught. Do you agree? Both deny their crimes to authorities when confronted, for example.

No matter what one was taught, do you agree that their criminal behavior, whether assaulting wife or dog, is a choice?

Villagegolfer, it sounds from your post that perhaps you see this differently. Thanks for any clarification.

Don't go putting words in my mouth. I merely stated that certain behaviors are learned. Certain cultures are learned. In certain cultures women have no rights, what so ever. Women are possessions to do as the man says. I believe in certain places where we have troops on the ground now?
I myself have never abused a women or animal and I have had two rescue dogs and I resent your implications strongly.

[collie1228]

villagegolfer, I don't see where Pturner put any words in your mouth. She asked a few reasonable questions, a couple of which came to my mind as well when I read your post. No need to get angry show your impatience. I'd love to read your answers.

[villagegolfer]

Originally Posted by collie1228

villagegolfer, I don't see where Pturner put any words in your mouth. She asked a few reasonable questions, a couple of which came to my mind as well when I read your post. No need to get angry show your impatience. I'd love to read your answers.

So, do you do believe that assaulting a wife is no worse than assaulting a dog?

I find that question offensive. That's all. I have no patience for questions like that. Assaulting a wife or dog is against the law. I approve of neither. I find the question as a form of baiting.

[gatherer47]

To me Vick is a thug pure and simple!

[LivingLarge]

To get back on track:

Even though what Vick did was torture (and against the law etc.) it was not what I think of as child behavour that indicates mental illness like randomly murdering cats, setting fires etc. The torture was done, as sick as it sounds, in the name of the sport. Is this any different than cock fighting and the torture of those animals? Some cultures think of these as sports and don't see why they are illegal or immoral.

But I'm no expert.

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by LivingLarge

To get back on track:

Even though what Vick did was torture (and against the law etc.) it was not what I think of as child behavour that indicates mental illness like randomly murdering cats, setting fires etc. The torture was done, as sick as it sounds, in the name of the sport. Is this any different than cock fighting and the torture of those animals? Some cultures think of these as sports and don't see why they are illegal or immoral.

But I'm no expert.

Just to add to the discussion and your points, you can include bullfighting, dog racing, horse racing...If you get down to the nitty-gritty, breeding of pure bred dogs can be included in the list. I'm no expert either.

[LivingLarge]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Just to add to the discussion and your points, you can include bullfighting, dog racing, horse racing...If you get down to the nitty-gritty, breeding of pure bred dogs can be included in the list. I'm no expert either.

After reading my post I want to also reiterate that YES I know what Vick did was beyond just dog fighting. My point was that it wasn't just a "let's torture the dogs for the heck of it" thing. Wrong of course.

[billethkid]

Vick's destiny was preordained by the NFL and his fans before he went to prison to serve his tokenism punishment.
Like other celebrities who have gotten away with murder and politicians who have done wrong with no impact on their professional lives, Vick to is above the law. And to say it was not as though he intended torture of the animals implies some concern for the animals well being which there was none. Killing, burying the dogs and raising them with no more intent than to win $$$$ and killing the maimed and or losers is just more tolerance for a dastardly, immoral, inhumane deed than the reality of how terrible the deeds were.

The deed was smoothed over to get a hand slap with a preordained return to the NFL;;;;a joke....permissive pacifism at it's worst...$$$$ talks a lot more than morality for the NFL and the fans who accept what was done.....for the sake of the game......BS!!!!!!!!!

btk

[LivingLarge]

BTK - Respectfully have to disagree.

Looks like Vick was sentenced to a normal sentence ( maybe rather harshly when considering he had a previous clean record with some alligations but no convictions). You (and I) may want more but the justice system has spoken.

[duffysmom]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Vick's destiny was preordained by the NFL and his fans before he went to prison to serve his tokenism punishment.
Like other celebrities who have gotten away with murder and politicians who have done wrong with no impact on their professional lives, Vick to is above the law. And to say it was not as though he intended torture of the animals implies some concern for the animals well being which there was none. Killing, burying the dogs and raising them with no more intent than to win $$$$ and killing the maimed and or losers is just more tolerance for a dastardly, immoral, inhumane deed than the reality of how terrible the deeds were.

The deed was smoothed over to get a hand slap with a preordained return to the NFL;;;;a joke....permissive pacifism at it's worst...$$$$ talks a lot more than morality for the NFL and the fans who accept what was done.....for the sake of the game......BS!!!!!!!!!

btk

Well said.

[villagegolfer]

Originally Posted by LivingLarge

BTK - Respectfully have to disagree.

Looks like Vick was sentenced to a normal sentence ( maybe rather harshly when considering he had a previous clean record with some alligations but no convictions). You (and I) may want more but the justice system has spoken.

Well said.

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by LivingLarge

To get back on track:

Even though what Vick did was torture (and against the law etc.) it was not what I think of as child behavour that indicates mental illness like randomly murdering cats, setting fires etc. The torture was done, as sick as it sounds, in the name of the sport. Is this any different than cock fighting and the torture of those animals? Some cultures think of these as sports and don't see why they are illegal or immoral.

But I'm no expert.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Just to add to the discussion and your points, you can include bullfighting, dog racing, horse racing...If you get down to the nitty-gritty, breeding of pure bred dogs can be included in the list. I'm no expert either.

Well, I put it in the same category as cock fighting but not in the same category as breeding pure bred dogs. No doubt I am missing your point.

[MrMark]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Well, I put it in the same category as cock fighting but not in the same category as breeding pure bred dogs. No doubt I am missing your point.

And just where might it stand relative to: Bull Fighting; Deer Hunting; Child Abuse; Murder; Spousal abuse; etc., etc., etc.

Move on to something else. Vick has been punished enough or don't you know that the Eagles have lost 3 games in a row.