[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Monkei

We need to clear up one thing ... Muslim teachings do not tell their believers to kill all infidels. It does teach them to kill infidels who would commit combat and terrorism or do harm against other Muslims. That is a big difference than our narrow minded view that Muslims are out to kill all Christians. It is not their teachings.

I think you are making a distinction without much of a practical difference when it comes to radical Islam. The driving force is their faith and belief that, once Islam "conquers the world" ... all will be well, peace and harmony etc. In that sense it is a millennial type dream.

But, what is very real is that Islam is expansive and the basic strategy is to conquer via the womb ... out procreate and in a few decades or maybe a century, many formerly Christian countries are converted to Islam. Look at the UK ... look at other areas in Europe. And, yes, look at the US. It's not PC to talk about this so our tendency is to come up with "let's understand each other" "let's talk it thru" "Muslims are as American as apple pie" and other self-delusional excuses. We sheepishly avoid confronting the ugly reality our kids and grandkids will face since we will not apparently do anything about it.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

I think you are making a distinction without much of a practical difference when it comes to radical Islam. The driving force is their faith and belief that, once Islam "conquers the world" ... all will be well, peace and harmony etc. In that sense it is a millennial type dream.

But, what is very real is that Islam is expansive and the basic strategy is to conquer via the womb ... out procreate and in a few decades or maybe a century, many formerly Christian countries are converted to Islam. Look at the UK ... look at other areas in Europe. And, yes, look at the US. It's not PC to talk about this so our tendency is to come up with "let's understand each other" "let's talk it thru" "Muslims are as American as apple pie" and other self-delusional excuses. We sheepishly avoid confronting the ugly reality our kids and grandkids will face since we will not apparently do anything about it.

So are you saying that Islam is the only religion trying to expand? Missionary work to convert the heathens and savages ... They need to be taught about the savior who died for their sins, etc, etc, etc. seems like "we" have done our share of expanding.

I stand by my previous statement and the difference I pointed out. Muslim teachings are not to kill all infidels.

I refuse to live my life scared. You make it sound like our only possible future is thru ridding the world of this Muslim scourge.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Monkei

So are you saying that Islam is the only religion trying to expand? Missionary work to convert the heathens and savages ... They need to be taught about the savior who died for their sins, etc, etc, etc. seems like "we" have done our share of expanding.

I stand by my previous statement and the difference I pointed out. Muslim teachings are not to kill all infidels.

I refuse to live my life scared. You make it sound like our only possible future is thru ridding the world of this Muslim scourge.

Christians are in first place when it comes to killing other religions. I do prefer to be on the winning team, but would like to see more of us understand that we have more killing in our history than any other religion. Not to mention all the land we have stolen from those we consider less godly. That is the simple truth. NOW, we should either get our medaling butt out of the middle east or wipe them out completely. You can only poke at a hornets nest so many time without being stung. I love America with all my heart; however, we do interfere in other countries problems far more than we should.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Christians are in first place when it comes to killing other religions. I do prefer to be on the winning team, but would like to see more of us understand that we have more killing in our history than any other religion. Not to mention all the land we have stolen from those we consider less godly. That is the simple truth. NOW, we should either get our medaling butt out of the middle east or wipe them out completely. You can only poke at a hornets nest so many time without being stung. I love America with all my heart; however, we do interfere in other countries problems far more than we should.

It's spelled and always has been spelled ... O I L and our continued dependency on it.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Monkei

We need to clear up one thing ... Muslim teachings do not tell their believers to kill all infidels. It does teach them to kill infidels who would commit combat and terrorism or do harm against other Muslims. That is a big difference than our narrow minded view that Muslims are out to kill all Christians. It is not their teachings.

True...however...

[B]"It does teach them to kill infidels who would commit combat and terrorism or do harm against other Muslims"

Has been wide open for definitions in recent years. "Combat", "terrorism", and "harm" are defined, for the most part, by different groups in different ways at different times.

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by ivanhoe

OK fellow Villagers.....time to snap out of it!

LiveLeak.com - The Horrific Muslim Infiltration Of Britain

We better be ready for this in our country.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Monkei

It's spelled and always has been spelled ... O I L and our continued dependency on it.

Ok, so you're saying OIL is bad etc? Please let us know when you stop driving your car, using air conditioning (requires power) and yes your golf cart. We can find oil in a lot of places but people get upset about that too. Perhaps a separate thread?

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

We better be ready for this in our country.

This video is chilling and makes the point. I would really be curious to see how people advocating "more understanding" and "the bad guys are just a small percentage" along with "Christians have done horrible things etcc" respond to this. It is right there for you to assess. This is NOT what we want in America ... period.

The UK is pretty much toast. We still have time to state the obvious ... unless Muslims assimilate (which means they become melting pot Americans like everyone else) it's NOT going to work. And we should face that reality. The Brits obviously have not and seem to be truly crippled by the PC disease coupled with multiculturalism gone amok.

[DaleMN]

Isolationalism

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by DaleMN

Isolationalism

"Isolationism is the policy or doctrine of isolating one's country from the affairs of other nations by declining to enter into alliances, foreign economic commitments, foreign trade, international agreements, etc., seeking to devote the entire efforts of one's country to its own advancement and remain at peace by avoiding foreign entanglements and responsibilities. Two other terms often associated with Isolationism, but not necessarily the same as Isolationism, are:

Non-interventionism – is the belief that political rulers should avoid entangling alliances with other nations and avoid all wars not related to direct territorial differences (self-defense). However, most non-interventionists are supporters of free trade, travel, and support certain international agreements, and therefore differ from isolationists.
Protectionism – Relates more often to economics, its proponents believe that there should be legal barriers in order to control trade and cultural exchange with people in other states."


Isolationism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think this term is being misused

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Ok, so you're saying OIL is bad etc? Please let us know when you stop driving your car, using air conditioning (requires power) and yes your golf cart. We can find oil in a lot of places but people get upset about that too. Perhaps a separate thread?

The oil issue is over. The time to do something about it was in the 70s. Oil is not bad, but our dependence is. I am very surprised that this is still a non issue with people. You can blame me and others but alternatives have been shot down, including even tougher MPG standards, most likely by the big oil lobbies and big auto which have open doors to the congressman of their choice. Oh and also the tried an true JOB KILLERS bull crap.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by Bucco

True...however...

[B]"It does teach them to kill infidels who would commit combat and terrorism or do harm against other Muslims"

Has been wide open for definitions in recent years. "Combat", "terrorism", and "harm" are defined, for the most part, by different groups in different ways at different times.

Yes, but the definition "against other Muslims" is not. It's very apparent what the meaning is there.

[DDoug]

I dont know of any other religious group that is so hell bent on destroying the world. Sorry but Muslims are all the same . Say what you will thats my belief

[karostay]

Originally Posted by chachacha

it would be nicer if the million muslims were marching to show their allegiance to our constitution and their objection to the jihad which caused the attacks. they may feel allegiance but the organizers certainly don't seem to be going out of their way to praise the good life they have found in this country and any gratitude they might feel to now be considered Americans.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by DDoug

I dont know of any other religious group that is so hell bent on destroying the world. Sorry but Muslims are all the same . Say what you will thats my belief

Talk about a broad brush. I don't want to be argumentative but it's not like we have kept our paws out of the Middle East the last 50 years or so. We have propped up and supported dictators, we have supported militaries who have been less than kind to their people, we have placed ourselves in the middle of civil wars and have taken and supported militaries of one Muslim country against another only to turn around years later and oppose the one we supported before. We have built US bases in their countries. You know before we start blaming all Muslims and calling them all out maybe we should get out of the middle east all together. Besides I am sick of supplying US blood to protect big oil companies who are under no obligation to sell their oil to the US and even going as far as giving them massive tax breaks along the way. They don't pay taxes and they therefore don't deserve or pay for their protection.

Lets just stop the support of all aid and let them try to make a living selling oil to India and china. Get out of the Middle East so we don't have to live the rest of our lives scared that Muslims might move to the US.