[DaleMN]

Good grief!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by DaleMN

Good grief!

It is a good grief to grieve that what most of us are taught to be good religious principles in this day and age are not viewed by all to be the same.

And that would be the caring responsibility for all people of this earth. Most Christians and Jews that I know have it...or strive for it or recognize it as a virtuous goal.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

It is a good grief to grieve that what most of us are taught to be good religious principles in this day and age are not viewed by all to be the same.

And that would be the caring responsibility for all people of this earth. Most Christians and Jews that I know have it...or strive for it or recognize it as a virtuous goal.

The Middle East has absolutely imploded. People are dying in droves daily in Syria, Libya, Egypt and other places.

What this has done, and continues to do, is allow the hate faction to get stronger and gain influence, not just on the government but the people of the region.

I am just in shock with the cavalier and laid back attitude shown in this country to all these deaths.

[Mallory Voice]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

I noticed this article about a planned "Million Muslim March" in Washington scheduled for 11 September.

'Million Muslim March' Scheduled for Sept. 11 Reorients to Seek 9/11 'Truth' - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

I wondering how people might feel about this ?? Is this a positive development, negative, not sure or what?

Take a very close look at what is going on in Egypt as we speak and you be the judge as to a positive impact.
Mallory Voice

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by Bucco

The Middle East has absolutely imploded. People are dying in droves daily in Syria, Libya, Egypt and other places.

What this has done, and continues to do, is allow the hate faction to get stronger and gain influence, not just on the government but the people of the region.

I am just in shock with the cavalier and laid back attitude shown in this country to all these deaths.

I think most Americans think the thousands of deaths in the MidEast are terrible but are at a loss of what to do. No matter what side the US takes, it will be against one or more groups and is a lose-lose situation for the US.

Do you have any suggestions - not mistakes the US has made but what might work now? I don't.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by chachacha

i certainly do not want to broadbrush all muslims as terrorists, but as others have correctly stated, the average secular muslim is either too scared or too indifferent to make any admonishments to their radical brethren to give them credibility to the rest of the world. if they marched for the reasons i stated, it would go a long way to bring them the admiration of their fellow americans and stop the problems of which they are complaining, the "victimization" of being viewed as terrorists. but will they???

I agree ... a faction is bringing down their religion ... they have to find the courage to stand up to that faction.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by buggyone

I think most Americans think the thousands of deaths in the MidEast are terrible but are at a loss of what to do. No matter what side the US takes, it will be against one or more groups and is a lose-lose situation for the US.

Do you have any suggestions - not mistakes the US has made but what might work now? I don't.

No suggestions at all. It is very frustrating . We have sowed these seeds in the Mideast over the years, and need to understand that our "words" will change nothing, and also to make trust of anyone, something needed to be earned.

We have very little in the way of "influence" any longer, and I do feel that giving them any money is wrong.

[billethkid]

history displays for us what these people have been doing to each other for centuries.

Current technology just so happens to make more of us aware that what has happened historically for centuries is still alive and well in _ _ _ _ _ (fill in any mid east country you like).....OK...Egypt the current media focus.

I don't know why we think we could or even should bother to try to change something that has been going on for centuries....and oh by the way the other point of progress is they have spilled into other countries all over the world and as shown in the UK and France they continue to promote what they have for centuries.

Yes their numbers are growing everywhere. No they haven't changed what they believe no matter where they live. Yes they believe in the killing of infidels (non Muslims).

Since there is no way to change what they do and why then leave them in their area of the world and let them do what they will to each other.
Harsh and uncaring. It sounds like it. But there is no percentage waging a battle that cannot be won. That has been proven over the centuries.

Isn't it amazing that we get all concerned when something like the zebra mussel comes to our shores and is labeled destructive and we spend millions to try to stop the invasion. But we will permit/allow an infestation of our land by a people who are committed to kill the infidels....by the way that would be us.

As they begin to infiltrate our governments, time is on their side. They have a task and goal to accomplish and have shown they are willing to spend centuries to make it happen.

Look at the history. Compare it to where the muslims are today to back then. Then as the birth rates suggest project what is in the cards for the future.

So do not feel bad that one cannot come up with a suggestion on how to make it better. It cannot be done. And we are fast becoming a nation tha will no longer make the hard choices to bring it to a stop and under control in this country.

I suggest no more immigration of muslims. Any that are not citizens, send them home when their visa is up. Pull all troops and stop all financial support of muslim countries. Let them evolve back to where they were before they started to migrate.

Isn't it amazing how we freeze up when an uncomfortable subject hits the table? This cannot be swept under or out of discussion. We are risking the future generation of Americans who are not Muslims.

btk

[Doodle]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

I noticed this article about a planned "Million Muslim March" in Washington scheduled for 11 September.

'Million Muslim March' Scheduled for Sept. 11 Reorients to Seek 9/11 'Truth' - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

I wondering how people might feel about this ?? Is this a positive development, negative, not sure or what?

Anyone who was there or even not there. Will always have a hole in your heart. I get peaceful protests, blah, blah, blah. Part of bing a citizen in the USA is that we have somber holidays to remember those that lost their lives. Shame on them. I'm just sickened. The participants be warned..new Yorkers do not mess around! Ugghhhhhhh.when will it end?

[rubicon]

March set on 9/11
Demands for accountability by he government as to the truth of 9/11
Hoping Louis Farrakhan Nation of Islam will attend.
Please.

Too often people confuse their heads with their hearts.

Ask Europeans what they are dealing with now. One European told me his entire city is now Muslim. Another European that they don't recognize Dublin any longer.

Politicians are absorbed by the Mexican issue but won't come within a mile of the Muslim issue. Why do you think that is so?

The Samolian problem in Minneapolis is explosive.

Look at what is going on in the Middle East and look at what happened in Europe then look at what happened in Detroit add to that 9/11/2001 and you can see where we are headed.

This issue isn't about race its about an ideology that makes it clear that every infidel is their enemy and needs to be destroyed. turning the other cheek here is only going to get you grief.

[Monkei]

We need to clear up one thing ... Muslim teachings do not tell their believers to kill all infidels. It does teach them to kill infidels who would commit combat and terrorism or do harm against other Muslims. That is a big difference than our narrow minded view that Muslims are out to kill all Christians. It is not their teachings.

[CFrance]

Monkei, good information. I think most reasonable people do not paint all Muslims with the terrorist brush. But it is good to be reminded of their religious beliefs.

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by Bucco

No suggestions at all. It is very frustrating . We have sowed these seeds in the Mideast over the years, and need to understand that our "words" will change nothing, and also to make trust of anyone, something needed to be earned.

We have very little in the way of "influence" any longer, and I do feel that giving them any money is wrong.

The above statement [emphasis mine] is true enough; however, let's not forget the role of Western society in general over the centuries with such acts as the Crusades, imperialism, colonialism....

Originally Posted by chachacha

i certainly do not want to broadbrush all muslims as terrorists, but as others have correctly stated, the average secular muslim is either too scared or too indifferent to make any admonishments to their radical brethren to give them credibility to the rest of the world. if they marched for the reasons i stated, it would go a long way to bring them the admiration of their fellow americans and stop the problems of which they are complaining, the "victimization" of being viewed as terrorists. but will they???

I'm not in a position to take a position on a "Million Muslim March." But wouldn't it be presumptuous for non-Muslims to offer what should be the goals for such a march?

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by twinklesweep

I'm not in a position to take a position on a "Million Muslim March." But wouldn't it be presumptuous for non-Muslims to offer what should be the goals for such a march?

no more presumtuous than their credo that all other religions must cease and desist!

btk

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by dalecrenshaw

Doesn't anyone think it is strange that they have planned with march on 9/11. I think it is an insult to all those lives lost on 9/11.

Yes, I agree it's insulting. I also think the timing is obviously deliberate and yet another "finger in the eye" ... kind of like building a mosque near where the Towers used to be. It's all about never retreating and always advancing against the infidel. The objective is eventual victory worldwide ... however long it takes and by whatever means necessary. This march is just one small tactical event. You do have to give them credit for being brash about it though.