[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Velvet

How did they do it for the decades before the cell phone? Why are we raising such fearful children? How many will ever be kidnapped in their life time? But how many will worry about it?

In the 1960's there were 19 incidents for that decade.
In the 1970's - 50 incidents.
1980's - 78 incidents.
1990's - 123 incidents (this was the decade of pocket pagers and flip-phones)

School shootings have always been a thing - Wikipedia has one listed in the 1700's.

But now that everyone and their kid brother has more guns than there are people in the country, it's become a much more prevalent thing to worry about than it was before cell phones.

I guess it really isn't a big deal at all, who cares right? Stop making such a fuss about it. Until your kid, your grandkid, your grandkid's best friend, your cousin's kid - your cousin the teacher - is the victim. Then maybe you'll care.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

In the 1960's there were 19 incidents for that decade.
In the 1970's - 50 incidents.
1980's - 78 incidents.
1990's - 123 incidents (this was the decade of pocket pagers and flip-phones)

School shootings have always been a thing - Wikipedia has one listed in the 1700's.

But now that everyone and their kid brother has more guns than there are people in the country, it's become a much more prevalent thing to worry about than it was before cell phones.

I guess it really isn't a big deal at all, who cares right? Stop making such a fuss about it. Until your kid, your grandkid, your grandkid's best friend, your cousin's kid - your cousin the teacher - is the victim. Then maybe you'll care.

I’m sorry but I can’t see how it matters that much. As a teacher when we had an armed invader on school property we had a protocol we followed; children under desks away from door and window. Doors locked, lights off. Everyone silent. The librarian, in our case she used to be Mossad, patrolled the hallways, washrooms etc she was just a petite person. The police, fire department was notified with silent alarm. Honestly, I can’t imagine a parent, grandparent or relative reacting swiftly enough to be of much help.

[bopat]

Without cell phones in the classroom we'd miss out on seeing this, it's be student vs teacher's word:

https://x.com/dosedailyvideo/status/1666694931426185216

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Velvet

I’m sorry but I can’t see how it matters that much. As a teacher when we had an armed invader on school property we had a protocol we followed; children under desks away from door and window. Doors locked, lights off. Everyone silent. The librarian, in our case she used to be Mossad, patrolled the hallways, washrooms etc she was just a petite person. The police, fire department was notified with silent alarm. Honestly, I can’t imagine a parent, grandparent or relative reacting swiftly enough to be of much help.

This is America. We're not an ancient, war-torn country. We're a very young country, and we're used to some facade of relative safety in our schools. You're not seeing the numbers in my post, that you quoted. In the decade when flip-phones and pocket pagers were first used by the multitudes, school shootings were up almost 80% over the previous decade.

I didn't even mention the number of injuries and deaths caused by those school shootings. In most of the previous ones before cell phones, it was usually one, two, maybe five deaths total, if any at all, and sometimes not even any injuries. Just someone firing a gun in the hallway, getting caught, and brought to a mental hospital for evaluation.

There has been no need or reason for the kinds of drills you're talking about here, in America. Until the last couple of decades. This is new to us. Our children are being brought up with a kind of violence that their parents never had to deal with. Being able to text your mother to tell her you love her before you die - is kinda important to us here, in America. Being able to tell your brother on the other side of the school that he needs to get out the window and run home before the shooter leaves your own side's hallway - is kinda important to us here, in America.

[KCornman]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The likelihood of a school shooting is 100% for all schools where there have been a school shooting.

The likelihood has increased significantly since Columbine. In 2024 alone, there were 39 school shootings across the country. That's almost one in every contiguous state. So the odds of it happening in your state, in 2024, was over 80:1

Maybe they should make the "Gun Free Zone" signs around the schools bigger. Surely it would cause the perpetrator to stop and think, right?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is usually the alienated teens and early twenty somethings who go on shooting sprees and not the well adjusted teens who are big on sharing stuff among their peers at school . Military weapons have not been accessible to teens all that long .

My opinion is teens that play the murderous games the affect their unbalanced mind.

Military weapons have never been accessible. AR-15 is NOT M-16. Now we can agree limit on magazine capacity but there are NO automatic weapons accessible. Actually the first so called assault weapon was Winchester model 94 repeating rifle or Henry repeating rifle. I am surprised the series “The Rifleman” reruns still allowed on TV.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by bopat

It’s not the phones they worry about, it’s the many cameras and microphones.

Especially when they come on late and only show 1/2 of story.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by KCornman

Maybe they should make the "Gun Free Zone" signs around the schools bigger. Surely it would cause the perpetrator to stop and think, right?

Or invite more lunatics with guns knowing they will be only one with gun?

[Velvet]

Metal detectors at doors, during classes lock all doors. But that still leaves them shootable outside. And they can keep their cellphones on to say their goodbyes as they are dying… What a society for the kids to grow up in!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

How did a thread on banned cell phones in schools devolve into a discussion of school shootings?

Anything to do with students/schools always gets high jacked to guns and school shootings. There too many guns in world we will never be able to get rid of them, we can’t even get rid of illegal ghost guns. Like trying to ban shoes.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Metal detectors at doors, during classes lock all doors. But that still leaves them shootable outside. And they can keep their cellphones on to say their goodbyes as they are dying… What a society for the kids to grow up in!

When I went to school the doors automatically Locked with only able to exit where they didn’t want uncontrolled entry, seems like all doors except few entry points (very few like two monitored) after bell rings would be done? Plus all windows locked or high enough not to climb in. Also now days security cameras should be norm. Yes, as much money public school collect from taxes and lottery they should be standard security like Fort Knox. Be we know the taxes and lottery money gets Siphoned off. Why lotteries had imaginary of supporting schools justifying its means for its existence.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The likelihood of a school shooting is 100% for all schools where there have been a school shooting.

And the likelihood of there having been a school shooting where there wasn't one is 0%, so I'm not sure what your point is.

The likelihood has increased significantly since Columbine. In 2024 alone, there were 39 school shootings across the country. That's almost one in every contiguous state. So the odds of it happening in your state, in 2024, was over 80:1

Assuming your math is even correct, what are the odd though of it happening in any INDIVIDUAL school? Certainly less than 2% as I stated earlier. So no phones for the kids to call mom just in case.

Now, you could make the argument that anything above 0% is unacceptable, with which I would agree.