[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Randall55

I agree. The Villages is probably not going to fight STRs. But, if larger cities like Miami and Orlando do fight against them, it will probably follow suit here and throughout Florida. We are an hour or two from Orlando, Daytona, Tampa, St Augustine, Jacksonville, Pensacola, and Destin. Our location makes it very attractive for investors. Some politicians may decide controlling STRs here is a necessity. I can see it happening and will not be surprised if it does.

I think it would take a revision of state law to pave the way for local restrictions on STRs. I also think that if the developer really wanted these restrictions, we would have them, starting with enforcement of the existing laws/rules/restrictions. I would hope they take the long term view like Harold Schwarts and Gary Morse and decide if they want The Villages known as a premier 55+ retirement destination, or a motel shantytown.

[Randall55]

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You didn't really ask that, did you????? The Orlando "hotel dweller" doesn't have NEIGHBORS in a 55+ RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. They don't block neighbors driveways, if the let their teens run wild it isn't on a neighbor's property, and they are staying in a hotel---a building and area specifically designed for vacation stays.

Full disclosure---do you own a STR???

In addition to what was said above, the Strs are taking customers away from hotels/motels. Businesses that legitimantly collect sales tax and send it to the state of Florida. Do all STRs have the required license? Do they collect and send the sales tax to Florida? Maybe some do. It is those who do not that are causing the state a problem.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You didn't really ask that, did you????? The Orlando "hotel dweller" doesn't have NEIGHBORS in a 55+ RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. They don't block neighbors driveways, if the let their teens run wild it isn't on a neighbor's property, and they are staying in a hotel---a building and area specifically designed for vacation stays.

Full disclosure---do you own a STR???

If the hotel dweller did come to visit and blocked a driveway would that be okay since he was not a short term renter? If a child comes to visit their parents in the Villages and blocks a driveway is that okay because they are not a short term renter? If I have a card party at my house and a fulltime resident blocks a driveway is that okay because they are not a short term renter? Is the problem the short term renter status or is the problem the blocking of the driveway? If it's the former then let's get rid of the renters but if it's the latter then let's stop others from blocking driveways regardless of their reason for being here.

Take the rest of the alleged transgressions and fit them into the above paragraph. My answer is the same - the transgressions are transgressions regardless of the status of the person committing them.

I am skeptical of the widespread problems from renters. I've seen some pretty large numbers of rental properties claimed. If thousands of renters are causing problems there would be more than a few people complaining here on ToTV. I believe some renters do cause issues. I believe some fulltime neighbors cause issues. I know some snowbirds cause issues. Personally, getting rid of the snowbirds would improve my life much more than getting rid of the renters - who do I talk to about that?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

If the hotel dweller did come to visit and blocked a driveway would that be okay since he was not a short term renter? If a child comes to visit their parents in the Villages and blocks a driveway is that okay because they are not a short term renter? If I have a card party at my house and a fulltime resident blocks a driveway is that okay because they are not a short term renter? Is the problem the short term renter status or is the problem the blocking of the driveway? If it's the former then let's get rid of the renters but if it's the latter then let's stop others from blocking driveways regardless of their reason for being here.

Take the rest of the alleged transgressions and fit them into the above paragraph. My answer is the same - the transgressions are transgressions regardless of the status of the person committing them.

I am skeptical of the widespread problems from renters. I've seen some pretty large numbers of rental properties claimed. If thousands of renters are causing problems there would be more than a few people complaining here on ToTV. I believe some renters do cause issues. I believe some fulltime neighbors cause issues. I know some snowbirds cause issues. Personally, getting rid of the snowbirds would improve my life much more than getting rid of the renters - who do I talk to about that?

Please let us know the next time that someone staying in an Orlando hotel drives to TV and parks in front of your driveway. Meanwhile, let's ask the Villagers who live next to a STR how often that happens, as well as the kids, late night parties and litter.

More and more you sound like the owner of STR(s)

[merrymini]

Attack, attack, attack, renters, snowbirds etc. Attack, lawfully, only people who behave badly, regardless of who they are to prevent bad behavior. People have lost consideration and regard for others and we have also lost the rule of law. This will be a long ride now.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Please let us know the next time that someone staying in an Orlando hotel drives to TV and parks in front of your driveway. Meanwhile, let's ask the Villagers who live next to a STR how often that happens, as well as the kids, late night parties and litter.

More and more you sound like the owner of STR(s)

I will let you know the next time ANYONE parks in front of my driveway though I don't know that I will ask them for ID or information on where they are staying.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by ithos

Is STR only a concern south of 44? That has never been an issue in my area.

When did this start to become a problem in TV?

It wasn’t a problem in my neighborhood either, until one day it was. A woman who had no idea about being a landlord started running an AirBNB from her home and the results weren’t good for the neighborhood. Fortunately for our neighborhood, she met a guy and moved away to live with him. Nobody in our neighborhood was sad to see here go.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by TeresaE

There are Florida state laws that regulate short term rentals, but they mainly address the definition of a STR and business registration and taxes. Florida law allows cities and counties the ability to promulgate their own regulations. ....

One more piece of unsolicited advice, do not suggest, mention or allude to anything similar to NY, California or anywhere beside Florida for suggestions on STRs in Florida. You won’t get past Go if you do. That’s just a reality. Don’t shoot the messenger.

The Messenger is wrong.

I tried to make it as simple as possible and posted the language and a link.

Perhaps you should consider clicking the Link I posted in Post #20?

Its publication date is April 28, 2023.

The Information is current.

The Law has not changed.

Every year there are bills in the Legislature, to change most every law on the Florida books. A tiny percentage make it to a vote and a few get passed into law. No Amendment to the Short Term Rental Laws have made it through the Legislature since 2014.

Anyone who would like to wager, I'm in. State Control of Short Term Rentals in Florida will never end. Florida is a tourism state, why would they allow the crackers in mid-Florida to interfere with the state's #1 income generator?

[MSGirl]

Originally Posted by Normal

NYC has incorporated some great regulations to get a handle on VERBOs and AirBnBs. It’s a 5,000 dollar fine for getting caught without a license and none can be rented less than 30 days. When will we get something like that in The Villages? It would be a great way to get a handle on the STR problem.

Thousands of Airbnb listings in NYC face removal amid backlog: report

We are not in NYC.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by merrymini

Attack, attack, attack, renters, snowbirds etc. Attack, lawfully, only people who behave badly, regardless of who they are to prevent bad behavior. People have lost consideration and regard for others and we have also lost the rule of law. This will be a long ride now.

Nice thought and would probably apply in a perfect world, however........

Which type of rental do you think is more likely (by far) to lead to so called "bad behavior"? (you may pick 2)

1) a 58 year old married couple renting for 3 months to see if they want to retire here

2) a group of 6 20 somethings renting for 5 days to use TV as a home base for hitting Disney, our pools and our amenities

3) a family of 6 with children aged 12,14,15, and 16 renting because it is cheaper here.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

If the hotel dweller did come to visit and blocked a driveway would that be okay since he was not a short term renter? If a child comes to visit their parents in the Villages and blocks a driveway is that okay because they are not a short term renter? If I have a card party at my house and a fulltime resident blocks a driveway is that okay because they are not a short term renter? Is the problem the short term renter status or is the problem the blocking of the driveway? If it's the former then let's get rid of the renters but if it's the latter then let's stop others from blocking driveways regardless of their reason for being here.

Take the rest of the alleged transgressions and fit them into the above paragraph. My answer is the same - the transgressions are transgressions regardless of the status of the person committing them.

I am skeptical of the widespread problems from renters. I've seen some pretty large numbers of rental properties claimed. If thousands of renters are causing problems there would be more than a few people complaining here on ToTV. I believe some renters do cause issues. I believe some fulltime neighbors cause issues. I know some snowbirds cause issues. Personally, getting rid of the snowbirds would improve my life much more than getting rid of the renters - who do I talk to about that?

I could not disagree more about the snowbirds. I live next door to a couple that is here for only 5 months a year and it is great. If there were no snowbirds then you would have winter like traffic all year round.

I have never met one that I believe wouldn't make a great next door neighbor.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I think it would take a revision of state law to pave the way for local restrictions on STRs. I also think that if the developer really wanted these restrictions, we would have them, starting with enforcement of the existing laws/rules/restrictions. I would hope they take the long term view like Harold Schwarts and Gary Morse and decide if they want The Villages known as a premier 55+ retirement destination, or a motel shantytown.

Bingo! The fastest way to have local restrictions put into place, and be enforced, would be for a large number of potential buyers of new homes to clearly communicate to their Properties of the Villages sales representative that they are not interested in buying into pseudo 55+ retirement community that is being watered down and changed by short term rentals.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by ithos

I could not disagree more about the snowbirds. I live next door to a couple that is here for only 5 months a year and it is great. If there were no snowbirds then you would have winter like traffic all year round.

Or there would be summer traffic all year round.

I have never met one that I believe wouldn't make a great next door neighbor.

Neither have I but I have also never met a renter who wouldn't make a great next door neighbor. On the other hand, there have been next door neighbors who weren't that great.

If someone is causing a problem, deal with the someone to fix the problem. There are noise ordinances and parking ordinances and certainly trespassing ordinances so use them. For the most part, this is a pretty sleepy area - give the police something to do.

[Regorp]

Originally Posted by Normal

NYC has incorporated some great regulations to get a handle on VERBOs and AirBnBs. It’s a 5,000 dollar fine for getting caught without a license and none can be rented less than 30 days. When will we get something like that in The Villages? It would be a great way to get a handle on the STR problem.

Thousands of Airbnb listings in NYC face removal amid backlog: report

TV has let this get out of control here. They should enforce the minimum rental period to one week, not overnight, not a weekend. TV is a retirement community, not a resort or hotel

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

If the hotel dweller did come to visit and blocked a driveway would that be okay since he was not a short term renter? If a child comes to visit their parents in the Villages and blocks a driveway is that okay because they are not a short term renter? If I have a card party at my house and a fulltime resident blocks a driveway is that okay because they are not a short term renter? Is the problem the short term renter status or is the problem the blocking of the driveway? If it's the former then let's get rid of the renters but if it's the latter then let's stop others from blocking driveways regardless of their reason for being here.

Take the rest of the alleged transgressions and fit them into the above paragraph. My answer is the same - the transgressions are transgressions regardless of the status of the person committing them.

I am skeptical of the widespread problems from renters. I've seen some pretty large numbers of rental properties claimed. If thousands of renters are causing problems there would be more than a few people complaining here on ToTV. I believe some renters do cause issues. I believe some fulltime neighbors cause issues. I know some snowbirds cause issues. Personally, getting rid of the snowbirds would improve my life much more than getting rid of the renters - who do I talk to about that?

I highly doubt the lawmakers in NYC and in other areas around the world (yes, WORLD) were concerned about driveway traffic when they wrote new laws that limit STRs. At this point, It is you against the world. I wonder who is going to win.