[cjrjck]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

No.

Villagers want it both ways.

They want to complain about "renters" & "snow birds", but can't wait to talk about their increasing property value/equity in their home. All of which is driven by the demand created by renters & snow birds.

Agree. I sort of find it funny to see rants about STRs on this forum when this very website in another forum lists STRs (real estate section).

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

Agree. I sort of find it funny to see rants about STRs on this forum when this very website in another forum lists STRs (real estate section).

There are priorities and “the Villagers” in general, prioritize their life style over increased value of their homes. Of course people like more equity, but not at the cost of suffering for it everyday. The snowbirds own property and they are residents they just don’t happen to be here all the time. In some ways they are the exact opposite of short term renters. And we are talking about short term renters. So what exactly are you finding funny?

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed

This banter back-and-forth is great, but can we at least agree that no permanent resident Of The Villages wants to see this become a community of short term rentals

Aah.....GREED!!!!!!!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed

This banter back-and-forth is great, but can we at least agree that no permanent resident Of The Villages wants to see this become a community of short term rentals

Unfortunately, while I believe most will agree with the statement I suspect there will be no consensus on what constitutes "a community of short term rentals." To some, we've already passed that point while others have yet to see a short term rental in their neighborhood.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed

This banter back-and-forth is great, but can we at least agree that no permanent resident Of The Villages wants to see this become a community of short term rentals

Totally agree.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

No.

Villagers want it both ways.

They want to complain about "renters" & "snow birds", but can't wait to talk about their increasing property value/equity in their home. All of which is driven by the demand created by renters & snow birds.

Totally disagree. First, short term rentals and snowbirds are two mutually exclusive things. This thread is about short term rentals. Second, I don’t want it both ways, I don’t like short term renters (or the inconsiderate landlords that are jamming them down our throats) and I don’t want my property values to increase. I’m not selling my home, so increased property values only mean increased taxes and homeowners insurance premiums. Why would I want that?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Yes, it is out of control. I have been coming to TV to visit parents for 30 years etc and now have a home here and yes the rental business is out of control. YOU may be aware of only a few issues, but that is only your situation. Lifestyle is run by the sales for the developer it is not in the same CATEGORY as the STRs we are talking about. You are welcome to a Lifestyles visit. The other types of STR you can take personally.

Lifestyle is a short term rental. It is a rental, it is for less than a week, it is a short term rental. Are you really proposing a law that says something to the effect that the Developer has the right to rent out property in the area but no other homeowner does? Some would argue the Developer enjoys enough special treatment as it is.

*I* am only aware of the issues that have been raised on this forum. Since it doesn't seem like many are holding back on listing their grievances I can only assume that there are only a few actual issues.

I find it hard to believe that a particular homeowner is soliciting for renters with bad behavior such that everyone that rents that particular home causes a problem. I certainly *can* believe that occasionally a bad renter comes through. I wouldn't wish that on anyone but the concern that at some point in time someone in one of the several thousand homes might have a party or park in the street doesn't seem like a good reason to penalize all those who want to make some money off their property or who want to visit the area.

And again, if someone is violating the noise ordinance or parking ordinance or trespassing laws then by all means, get the police involved. It doesn't matter if it is a fulltime resident, snowbird, renter, child, grandchild, or guest.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Time to change the state law then.

Other posts have already noted that attempts to weaken the law are filed every year.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Lifestyle is a short term rental. It is a rental, it is for less than a week, it is a short term rental. Are you really proposing a law that says something to the effect that the Developer has the right to rent out property in the area but no other homeowner does? Some would argue the Developer enjoys enough special treatment as it is.

*I* am only aware of the issues that have been raised on this forum. Since it doesn't seem like many are holding back on listing their grievances I can only assume that there are only a few actual issues.

I find it hard to believe that a particular homeowner is soliciting for renters with bad behavior such that everyone that rents that particular home causes a problem. I certainly *can* believe that occasionally a bad renter comes through. I wouldn't wish that on anyone but the concern that at some point in time someone in one of the several thousand homes might have a party or park in the street doesn't seem like a good reason to penalize all those who want to make some money off their property or who want to visit the area.

And again, if someone is violating the noise ordinance or parking ordinance or trespassing laws then by all means, get the police involved. It doesn't matter if it is a fulltime resident, snowbird, renter, child, grandchild, or guest.

Yes, it is different. The Lifestyle is run well and monitored carefully - I did it before buying here. Do not try to confuse the issue by obfuscating the term Short Term Rental. They are not all alike.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Yes, it is different. The Lifestyle is run well and monitored carefully - I did it before buying here. Do not try to confuse the issue by obfuscating the term Short Term Rental. They are not all alike.

It has become painfully obvious that there are a couple posters on this topic who are short term rental landlords who are making a lame attempt to justify their neighborhood disrupting actions.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Yes, it is different. The Lifestyle is run well and monitored carefully - I did it before buying here. Do not try to confuse the issue by obfuscating the term Short Term Rental. They are not all alike.

How is the way it is run and monitored different than an airBnB or ****? I know what I was asked for before staying at any of the three and the airBnB required more documentation from me. In none of the three did I notice any minders standing outside making sure I was dressed properly before leaving the home. You can insist that it is different but the only real difference is the name on the business collecting the rents.

Sure, you've never seen or heard of a problem with one of the Lifestyle homes. I'll bet the same can be said of 90+% of the homes rented as airBnB. I'm honestly interested in how many people on here have personal experience with consistently bad renters in their neighborhood and how many are arguing over something they have never experienced.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

It has become painfully obvious that there are a couple posters on this topic who are short term rental landlords who are making a lame attempt to justify their neighborhood disrupting actions.

I don't know about "lame excuses", but I'm sure there are people on this site who own STR's. After all, STR owners are likely younger, more sophisticated and see the wisdom in keeping up with TV issues.

The Villages demographic is fascinating, in it's consistency. The younger, more sophisticated and savvy folks seem to be the new comers down south. The middle of TV seems to have a lot of successful folks, fairly new to retirement. By the time you get to the Northern/Historic area, you have the much older folks who moved to TV when it wasn't much more than a trailer park. These people seem to want the world to return to the way it was in 70's and they rail against anything new, while they bemoan the passing of the "good old days", when Harold Schwartz roamed Spanish Springs.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

I don't know about "lame excuses", but I'm sure there are people on this site who own STR's. After all, STR owners are likely younger, more sophisticated and see the wisdom in keeping up with TV issues.

The Villages demographic is fascinating, in it's consistency. The younger, more sophisticated and savvy folks seem to be the new comers down south. The middle of TV seems to have a lot of successful folks, fairly new to retirement. By the time you get to the Northern/Historic area, you have the much older folks who moved to TV when it wasn't much more than a trailer park. These people seem to want the world to return to the way it was in 70's and they rail against anything new, while they bemoan the passing of the "good old days", when Harold Schwartz roamed Spanish Springs.

Out of perspective curiosity where do you live Brian ?

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

After all, STR owners are likely younger, more sophisticated and savvy folks who see the wisdom in keeping up with TV issues.

Bull$#@&! It appears as though both a STR landlord and a “legend in his own mind” has stepped forward. I guess the rest of us are merely a bunch of old and unsophisticated folks with no savvy or wisdom! Really?

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

How is the way it is run and monitored different than an airBnB or ****? I know what I was asked for before staying at any of the three and the airBnB required more documentation from me. In none of the three did I notice any minders standing outside making sure I was dressed properly before leaving the home. You can insist that it is different but the only real difference is the name on the business collecting the rents.

Sure, you've never seen or heard of a problem with one of the Lifestyle homes. I'll bet the same can be said of 90+% of the homes rented as airBnB. I'm honestly interested in how many people on here have personal experience with consistently bad renters in their neighborhood and how many are arguing over something they have never experienced.

You keep stating over and over you have never seen or heard of a problem with STRs. You haven't been listening. If they were not a problem then why did NYC put an end to them? Why are cities across the world restricting them? Again, I tell you, it is you against the world. Where you do not see a problem, millions of people do.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Randall55

You keep stating over and over you have never seen or heard of a problem with STRs. You haven't been listening. If they were not a problem then why did NYC put an end to them? Why are cities across the world restricting them? Again, I tell you, it is you against the world. Where you do not see a problem, millions of people do.

I don't live in NYC and, frankly, I don't want TV to emulate NYC.

I don't know why cities across the world are restricting them. Again, I don't live in cities across the world and I don't want TV to emulate them.

I also never said I had not heard of a problem with STRs. I wrote that I have never personally experienced a problem with a renter and I (hopefully) implied that even though there have been several threads on ToTV claiming there were problems with STRs only a few have ever been identified.

Not everyone uses ToTV so perhaps many of those experiencing STR problems haven't posted here. Maybe those that have posted are holding back on all the problems they have experienced. That would not be typical ToTV behavior but it could happen.

I do not see a problem because, I have not seen a problem and I have not seen millions/thousands/hundreds/dozens/more than a few mention problems in ToTV. Let NYC, Orlando, St Augustine, and the world solve the problems they are having, I'm more concerned about the problems ToTV is having (or not).

Bottom line, we have enough laws restricting our rights (even here in the "Free" state of Florida). I don't want to see any more rights limited or taken away unless it is absolutely necessary. When I hear that the city of Wildwood refused to deal with the car parked across someone's driveway or Sumter County Sheriff would not break up the loud street party at 4AM then I might agree that more limitations are necessary. If that pits me against the world then so be it. However, with reports of thousands or STRs in TV, I believe there are others who don't want to see their rights limited either.