[pbkmaine]

To get a driver's license here, which is needed to vote, there is a long list of required ID. The motor vehicles person checked mine extremely carefully. I can't speak for every official in Florida, but I do not believe an illegal alien would get by her.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by pbkmaine

To get a driver's license here, which is needed to vote, there is a long list of required ID. The motor vehicles person checked mine extremely carefully. I can't speak for every official in Florida, but I do not believe an illegal alien would get by her.

Register to Vote - Florida Division of Elections - Department of State


A Florida driver license is not required to register to vote. You can use your license for ID, or your FL ID card, or the last four digits of you social security number.

Click the link above for requirements to vote in Florida provided by the state.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Does the title of the thread concern or bother anybody but me?

Read this article:

Could non-citizens decide the November election? - The Washington Post

Now what do you think about non US citizens voting in national (or any other) elections?

I do not have all the information I need yet, however on the surface it is not appropriate for NON US CITIZENS to vote. How do they get registered in the first place?

There must be something I obviously do not understand.
Party lines need not be espoused. I just want to understand how it is non US citizens are allowed to vote.

And I am sure I will not be the only one who is concerned about the abuse that is potential in such a system.

It absolutely bothers me ... and also makes me wonder WTF is going on with this Country.

If a non-citizen votes (and/or an illegal), as far as I know, that is against the law in all but perhaps the most wacko communities (San Francisco, Seattle or whatever).

Thus, if they break the law by voting, then indict, prosecute and deport.

Does anyone on this board seriously argue that non-citizens or illegals should be allowed to vote??

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

We are turning into a 3rd world country. No trust in our leaders. What happened to us???

Trust is a virtue that is earned or lost.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Elections are run by each state, not the federal government. Election Supervisors are elected in each county of Florida and answer to no one other than the voters who elected them.

Except for when a federal court steps in to halt the Florida State voter registration purge or to order the completion of the purge in Virginia??

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by waynet

can someone supply some documented proof of all of this illegal voting? How many people have been caught? Where? When? Didn't Florida spend a few million to find all of these illegal voters and come up with about 25 people. I see this as much ado about nothing.

Waynet - Do an internet search on purge voter rolls and you can have all of the information you seek. The purge you reference is duscussed here:

Florida halts purge of noncitizens from voter rolls | Tampa Bay Times

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Every Florida county Election Supervisor is responsible for making sure that the voter rolls are correct in their county. This includes removing the deceased and adding newly registered voters.

When Gov Rick Scott ordered these supervisors to purge their voting rolls in 2012, these supervisors banded together and said no.

Florida halts purge of noncitizens from voter rolls | Tampa Bay Times

[blueash]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Holy smokes. They aren't citizens, why should they have a say. Can you name any other country that allows this?

United Kingdom
Portugal
Denmark
Sweden
Venezuela
Belize
Bolivia
Switzerland
Uruguay
Finland
Norway
Netherlands
Chile
Belgium
Korea
Ireland
New Zealand
Barbados
Estonia
with some variations on years in the country and other variables.

Those are the countries listed in the link provided in this thread. So you had that information available when you asked the question... Thanks for the opportunity to share it with others reading this thread.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

It absolutely bothers me ... and also makes me wonder WTF is going on with this Country.

If a non-citizen votes (and/or an illegal), as far as I know, that is against the law in all but perhaps the most wacko communities (San Francisco, Seattle or whatever).

Thus, if they break the law by voting, then indict, prosecute and deport.

Does anyone on this board seriously argue that non-citizens or illegals should be allowed to vote??

Can you please provide a link for your assertion that San Francisco, Seattle or other "wacko communities" are allowing non-citizens to vote? Or do you just provide invective without data.

[dbussone]

Bluesh - your assertion is not quite accurate.
0: No rights (Australia by grandfathered franchise after 1984, Austria, Belgium, Costa Rica, Denmark before 1977, Finland before 1981, France, Germany except for 1989-90, Greece, Ireland before 1962, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands before 1979, Norway before 1978, Spain before 1985, Sweden before 1976, the United Kingdom before 1949, and the United States before 1968).
1: Rights granted only by subnational governments (Canada from 1975 to the present; West Germany in 1989, the Netherlands from 1979 to 1981, Switzerland from 1960 to the present, and the United States from 1968 to the present).
2: Local rights, discriminatory (Denmark from 1977 to 1980; Finland from 1981 to 1990; Israel from 1960 to the present; and Norway from 1978 to 1981).
3: National rights, discriminatory (Australia from 1960 to 1984, Canada from 1960 to 1974, Ireland from 1985 to the present, New Zealand from 1960 to 1974, Portugal, the United Kingdom).
4: Local rights, nondiscriminatory (Denmark after 1980, Finland after 1990, Hungary, Ireland 1963 to 1984, the Netherlands after 1981, Norway after 1981, Spain after 1985, Sweden after 1976).
5: National rights, nondiscriminatory (New Zealand after 1975; Uruguay for 15 years-resident, since 1952)

[billethkid]

for those presenting what other countries do, just how do you feel about it here in the USA....yes let anybody that can walk in vote......or registered, living US citizens only?

[janmcn]

If anyone knows or suspects that their foreign doctor is voting or that their neighbor is voting in two different states, it is their responsibility to notify the county Supervisor of Elections. If you see something, say something. To remain silent is just as bad as committing the crime yourself.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by tedquick

I am here because I want to be here, but I love “the rest” of my country as well.

Those of us who were born in America won the most important lottery of all by the miracle of our birth location.

America became the greatest country that ever existed or that ever will as a result of a capitalistic free-market system. That system determined the winners and losers, not government bureaucrats in Washington. We the people, in the last few decades, have been giving that freedom away by sending people to Washington who have more interest in their own re-elections than in representing those who placed them there (at present I’m ignoring their thirst for power and control). They are being sent there by those who vote for the promise of “more for nothing” and those who refuse to see that long-term socialism cannot succeed (simultaneous “takers and makers” are guaranteed suicide).

BTW, this is not politics, but proven history.

tedquick: Well stated and citizens here who just blink and deflate will rue the day. Look all around the world and people are risking there lives for what we take for granted.

As to politicians they all way know and have known this has been going on for a long time. Far too many use it to their advantage. This ONE issue can bring down America because people are becoming too frustrated knowing election results are being massaged. Al Franken's election was classic fraud.

How do you get people to act that benefit. Perhaps we will have to resort to insisting on inked stained fingers to at least stop the multiple voting

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by billethkid

for those presenting what other countries do, just how do you feel about it here in the USA....yes let anybody that can walk in vote......or registered, living US citizens only?

I am completely opposed to any non-citizen voting in any election - local, national or otherwise for a political subdivision.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by blueash

Can you please provide a link for your assertion that San Francisco, Seattle or other "wacko communities" are allowing non-citizens to vote? Or do you just provide invective without data.

An internet search reveals that there are a number of states/localities that have given voting rights to non-citizens who are residents of the community to vote in local and school elections.