[acw99]

Originally Posted by faithfulfrank

This is so truly sad.


Another sad reminder that we indeed live in a fallen world. none of us are guaranteed the next hour......life is a precious gift that we too often forget the value of.

Frank

Even in a perfect world, non of us is guaranteed the next hour....

[Taj44]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

The above link leads us to where the real truth is as to where the real hate resides. It's too bad and shameful that some have a desparate need to make the incident political and take political advantages of such a senseless and tradgic occurance That's the last thing this nation needs at this time!

The above link, blaze.com, is an instrument of Glenn Beck, a perfect example of a toxic hate mongerer. Beck has made a habit of demonizing President Obama and promoting "conspiracy theories" about his administration. He has even gone so far as to make comparisons between Hitler and Obama and to promote the idea that the president is dangerous. What foolishness. And people out there actually believe that crap. Beck and his fear mongering cronies like Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin are the dangererous ones and need to be stopped before more people die.

[Xavier]

Originally Posted by Taj44

The above link, blaze.com, is an instrument of Glenn Beck, a perfect example of a toxic hate mongerer. Beck has made a habit of demonizing President Obama and promoting "conspiracy theories" about his administration. He has even gone so far as to make comparisons between Hitler and Obama and to promote the idea that the president is dangerous. What foolishness. And people out there actually believe that crap. Beck and his fear mongering cronies like Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin are the dangererous ones and need to be stopped before more people die.

Yeah, what Taj44 said - only softer.

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[Avista]

Here is what I think: We ALL need to be able to discuss policies without demonizing individuals. If a person did not like the fact we went into Iraq, fine, speak your peace, but don't demonize Pres Bush as a person. You may disagree, but leave it at that.

Same with Pres Obama, you may disagree with him on his vision of health care. Fine disagree, but don't call him names and degrade him.

When we say ugly things about an individual, remember there may be a mental unbalanced person listening who then thinks it's OK to take the situation into his hands.

[jebartle]

MY point exactly....Political threads need to tone it down, you never know who has a GUN!....Surely, NO ONE thinks that congressional policies are worthy of violence.....Please, let's all "coooool" our jets! Choose our words carefully and remember even thou we are transparent on-line someone is reading your blog who might take it to the next step.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by Taj44

The above link, blaze.com, is an instrument of Glenn Beck, a perfect example of a toxic hate mongerer. Beck has made a habit of demonizing President Obama and promoting "conspiracy theories" about his administration. He has even gone so far as to make comparisons between Hitler and Obama and to promote the idea that the president is dangerous. What foolishness. And people out there actually believe that crap. Beck and his fear mongering cronies like Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin are the dangererous ones and need to be stopped before more people die.

I'm sorry, but you're not going to successfully engage me in a political argument with your left-wing politically motivated propaganda. Your opinions have nothing to do with what happened in Arizona nor does the placing of targets on a map like Democrat Harry Mitchell of Arizona did in 2006, and to claim they do is rediculous. Those kind of biased remarks you've made belong on the Daily Kos and Huffington Post where for years you have persistantly hear those kinds of vicious behavior toward conservatives. They also have no place on this supposed-to-be non-political thread, and the administrators should SERIOUSLY consider moving this thread to the Political Thread if they continue!

[faithfulfrank]

Well said Skyguy.

jebartle started this thread and asked it be kept non political. Out of respect for that person and the forum that is how it should be. Folks, if you cannot understand that simple request, or are so callous as to ignore it, please move over to the political forum......

Anyone who thinks this tragedy is political is a fool and not much different then the shooter. We live in a wonderful free country where healthy, intelligent discourse is a right bought with the blood of our ancestors, and sadly even some friends and children. To blame people engaging in that discourse for this crime, clearly the work of a sick individual, sullies the memory of those silent patriots.

Shame on you.

[jblum8156]

Dear Mr. FaithfulFrank:
I do not understand how you can think that this tragedy is not political. Ms. Giffords is a politician. She was not shot because she damaged someone's car, or because her dog crapped on their lawn, or because she played her stereo too loud. She was singled out at a political event and shot because she holds a political office and because certain individuals, crazy or not, disagree with her policies. A 9-year-old girl was killed just because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I resent your shaming me for stating the truth.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by faithfulfrank

Well said Skyguy.

jebartle started this thread and asked it be kept non political. Out of respect for that person and the forum that is how it should be. Folks, if you cannot understand that simple request, or are so callous as to ignore it, please move over to the political forum......

Anyone who thinks this tragedy is political is a fool and not much different then the shooter. We live in a wonderful free country where healthy, intelligent discourse is a right bought with the blood of our ancestors, and sadly even some friends and children. To blame people engaging in that discourse for this crime, clearly the work of a sick individual, sullies the memory of those silent patriots.

Shame on you.

Thanks Frank!

[kb8tpw]

The original poster asked that this not become political, but the TOTV crowd seems to have managed to followed the lead of the Pima County sheriff and done so. This leads me to doubt the usefullness and objectiveness of TOTV, in general. I have always acknowledged that many posts were the author's opinion, experience, or whatever in an effort to make Villagers, and newcomers in particular, more aware of whatever the subject may have been. I'd like to continue that, but a saturation point nears. I have never looked at or are not aware of content of the political forum (for a reason) , but if this has not become political then perhaps I need to be pursuing other avenues to dedicate my time to. God bless those that were affected by a senseless act. That should be the focus.

[jebartle]

I too am frustrated by the way this post has spewed more rhetoric....
What part of NOT political is confusing.....I would, in a perfect world, like for everyone to go to "time-out" and look at the BIG picture and CHOOSE our words carefully and ask, "What I'm getting ready to say", "Will this hurt or help someone".....If you are going to be hateful then go to the "political forums"

[JimJoe]

This thread did turn political. I suggested it be moved to Political. I offered not to respond to the political rhetoric and asked posters to start a different thread away from this thread. They refused. So I responded.

[eweissenbach]

The political discourse common today makes me sick.

My parents taught me to respect other people's opinions, even those that differed from mine, and try to find areas of agreement and commonality. That I should empathize with people who are of different persuasions and try to understand what in their lives makes them feel, think, or act the way they do. One story that I think illustrates the way I was brought up; I was about 10 years old and President Eisenhower was on the television, giving a speech. I was talking to someone else and said out loud - "He's an idiot" - referring to someone else we were talking about. My mother overheard me and thought I was saying that about the president, and gave me a stern lecture, saying that he was the president and should always be shown the proper respect, and never called names. Now I was well aware that my mother was a dyed in the wool Roosevelt democrat, and it struck me at the time, and has stayed with me to this day, that she was defending the honor of a president with whom she disagreed and opposed. I am glad I had the parental guidance that I had and wish more people had had the same.

[Avista]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

The political discourse common today makes me sick.

My parents taught me to respect other people's opinions, even those that differed from mine, and try to find areas of agreement and commonality. That I should empathize with people who are of different persuasions and try to understand what in their lives makes them feel, think, or act the way they do. One story that I think illustrates the way I was brought up; I was about 10 years old and President Eisenhower was on the television, giving a speech. I was talking to someone else and said out loud - "He's an idiot" - referring to someone else we were talking about. My mother overheard me and thought I was saying that about the president, and gave me a stern lecture, saying that he was the president and should always be shown the proper respect, and never called names. Now I was well aware that my mother was a dyed in the wool Roosevelt democrat, and it struck me at the time, and has stayed with me to this day, that she was defending the honor of a president with whom she disagreed and opposed. I am glad I had the parental guidance that I had and wish more people had had the same.

Perfect! You stated that so well.

[billethkid]

violence wise movies, violence on television, violence in game content could possibly contribute to the increasing violence in public life?

Does anybody think there would be any less violence if there were no guns??

Do you believe the lack of discipline in our society contributes to any thing goes behavior?

How about not saying anything against an individual or group to avoid involvement? Or persecution/law suit for discrimination?

If it is not obvious our society has become a breeding ground for violence. It has nothing to do with politics or guns or what some politician may have said.

Decaying core values and permissive pacifism....major contributors.

And oh by the way I again object to the notion of some that political is where the nasty misbehavior of the forum belongs. It is the usual denigration of a group by a minority opinion about another minority instance or instances.

Look in the mirror to see who it is that can have an effect on how our society behaves.


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