[OnTrack]

Originally Posted by billethkid

"So don't say no to change just for the sake of THE OLD DAYS, and look deeper into what the change would mean to so many other people and not just your own selfish interest.".....totally and completely off the mark....again.

This ending while perhaps suiting the purpose of the post is Not what was said/proposed/implied......change what needs to be changed....needs to be changed.....don't change for the sake of political correctness (...since the icon is gone this will do).....addig for clarity (to be polite) does not requrie a delete for emphasis.

Is there ever a time when a case can be presented that does not trigger a re-characterization or re-interpretation of the original intent.....to make a point?

btk

As to what "needs" to be changed, doesn't that go right back to a persons...."own selfish interests?"

Jes sayin'.

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[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by OnTrack

As to what "needs" to be changed, doesn't that go right back to a persons...."own selfish interests?"

Jes sayin'.

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I see the truth of the matter as being very selfish. Mothers day is nice, Fathers day evens out the playing field, but Family day would be all inclusive and much less selfish. I am a father and Don't need a day for that but to build family values thru Family Day is a great idea. I have Veterans day, BIG HARRY DEAL. I did 22 years in the army because I thought it was the life for me, they paid me well and thats it, you don't need to honor me for it. I would want you to honor Family Day instead. I don't consider it being honored when someone salutes me that figured out a way not to be a veteran gets up in my face with a smile and a handshake. Veterans day should be between veterans and not those that did not participate. Mothers day should be with other mothers, But we all have interest in Family Day.
And Gracie, I am not off topic at all, the OP was about changing Mothers Day to Family Day and I am offering options to Mothers day that would be helpful to people and not just a silly I Love you mom day that is more of a benefit to big business than the structure of Good Family Values. Try to remember there are children out there without mothers or without fathers, but deserve just as much love and respect as those that do. How do they feel when Mothers day is celebrated or Fathers day is celebrated when Dad is not present. Family Day would allow them access to the party with whom ever they respect as the head of family that they respect and that helped them through troubled times. If being a mother or father was important to you, then you should not need accolades for your participation. I do not go through life making decisions that will later get me a pat on the back.

I love everyone, but the less fortunate are at the top of my list.

[OnTrack]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I see the truth of the matter as being very selfish. Mothers day is nice, Fathers day evens out the playing field, but Family day would be all inclusive and much less selfish. I am a father and Don't need a day for that but to build family values thru Family Day is a great idea. I have Veterans day, BIG HARRY DEAL. I did 22 years in the army because I thought it was the life for me, they paid me well and thats it, you don't need to honor me for it. I would want you to honor Family Day instead. I don't consider it being honored when someone salutes me that figured out a way not to be a veteran gets up in my face with a smile and a handshake. Veterans day should be between veterans and not those that did not participate. Mothers day should be with other mothers, But we all have interest in Family Day.
And Gracie, I am not off topic at all, the OP was about changing Mothers Day to Family Day and I am offering options to Mothers day that would be helpful to people and not just a silly I Love you mom day that is more of a benefit to big business than the structure of Good Family Values. Try to remember there are children out there without mothers or without fathers, but deserve just as much love and respect as those that do. How do they feel when Mothers day is celebrated or Fathers day is celebrated when Dad is not present. Family Day would allow them access to the party with whom ever they respect as the head of family that they respect and that helped them through troubled times. If being a mother or father was important to you, then you should not need accolades for your participation. I do not go through life making decisions that will later get me a pat on the back.

Don't listen to those who think you're not "on topic."

You're not only on topic...you're "dead on."

I love everyone, but the less fortunate are at the top of my list.

That pretty much says it all.

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[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by OnTrack

Don't listen to those who think you're not "on topic."

You're not only on topic...you're "dead on."




That pretty much says it all.

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Thanks and I will not submit to silly scolding from anyone that is only a few years my senior. I feel confident that my ideas are far more accurate than to be stifled by a little slap on the wrist from someone that missed my point in full.

[tainsley]

My kids treat me as if everyday was Mother's Day (I am lucky) so when Mother's Day came it wasn't a big deal that they were not here as they live 12 hours away. My wonderful hubby did take me out for a delicious breakfast!

[OnTrack]

Originally Posted by tainsley

My kids treat me as if everyday was Mother's Day (I am lucky) so when Mother's Day came it wasn't a big deal that they were not here as they live 12 hours away. My wonderful hubby did take me out for a delicious breakfast!

Can't ask for much more than that.

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[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by tainsley

My kids treat me as if everyday was Mother's Day (I am lucky) so when Mother's Day came it wasn't a big deal that they were not here as they live 12 hours away. My wonderful hubby did take me out for a delicious breakfast!

My point exactly. Family no matter how it is formed is the important issue, not mothers day, fathers day, etc. etc.. Family day would include everyone and leave no one out in the dark wishing they were part of the celebration.

[Villages PL]

On Mother's day the mother gets honered and appreciated with cards, gifts or dinner etc.. It's her special day. Likewise, on father's day it's the father who gets appreciated. It's his special day.

What happens on family day? Does everyone in the family exchange cards and gifts? Heck, that's Christmas and we don't need another Christmas!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

On Mother's day the mother gets honered and appreciated with cards, gifts or dinner etc.. It's her special day. Likewise, on father's day it's the father who gets appreciated. It's his special day.

What happens on family day? Does everyone in the family exchange cards and gifts? Heck, that's Christmas and we don't need another Christmas!

By George, I think you're right.

[OnTrack]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

On Mother's day the mother gets honered and appreciated with cards, gifts or dinner etc.. It's her special day. Likewise, on father's day it's the father who gets appreciated. It's his special day.

What happens on family day? Does everyone in the family exchange cards and gifts? Heck, that's Christmas and we don't need another Christmas!

You're buying into the commercialization mindset, that has beset Mothers and Fathers Day.....from the beginning.


POKE HERE

The modern holiday of Mother's Day was first celebrated in 1908, when Anna Jarvis held a memorial for her mother in Grafton, West Virginia.

She then began a campaign to make "Mother's Day" a recognized holiday in the United States.

Although she was successful in 1914, she was already disappointed with its commercialization by the 1920s.

Why can't it be about doing kind acts, thinking of others first, appreciating family (warts and all)...and just spending quality time together?



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[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

On Mother's day the mother gets honered and appreciated with cards, gifts or dinner etc.. It's her special day. Likewise, on father's day it's the father who gets appreciated. It's his special day.

What happens on family day? Does everyone in the family exchange cards and gifts? Heck, that's Christmas and we don't need another Christmas!

Very true, but don't do Christmas at school. Don't do mothers day in a school setting. When you celebrate or honor in a school setting, don't eliminate kids without mothers, don't eliminate kids that are not Christians. I think the point of the school was to be inclusive and not degrade anyone that did not fit into the box of what some folks wrongly consider the majority. That is fine in your home, but where all taxpayers go, then it should include them even if they are not like the Majority. It is so simple to me yet seems to be confusing to others. Oh Well. I tried. Open your mind and your hearts and show love and respect for everyone, not just your specific group.

[graciegirl]

I don't think that Mother and Fathers day is commercial to us, to our family, nor is Christmas. I like all three and like all of the falderol about them. I like the giving of gifts and I like the day marked as a celebration and a feast. The whole world cannot celebrate Christmas big enough for me and mine.

I don't feel commercialism in those days at all. Folks can see good or bad into anything. It is kind of like an elementary classroom theme each month. It is something we mark and do and enjoy or learn about.

There are those who don't make a big deal out of any holidays or special events and they have their reasons. My Sweetie and I don't make a big celebration out of anniversaries, even our 50th and don't do much for birthdays when childhood is over. Everyone feels differently about what they celebrate.

To each their own.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Very true, but don't do Christmas at school. Don't do mothers day in a school setting. When you celebrate or honor in a school setting, don't eliminate kids without mothers, don't eliminate kids that are not Christians. I think the point of the school was to be inclusive and not degrade anyone that did not fit into the box of what some folks wrongly consider the majority. That is fine in your home, but where all taxpayers go, then it should include them even if they are not like the Majority. It is so simple to me yet seems to be confusing to others. Oh Well. I tried. Open your mind and your hearts and show love and respect for everyone, not just your specific group.

Thank you, Golfingnut, I see your point. We don't need to do that in school.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by OnTrack

You're buying into the commercialization mindset, that has beset Mothers and Fathers Day.....from the beginning.

Good point. I'm not a big fan of commercializing holidays.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Thank you, Golfingnut, I see your point. We don't need to do that in school.

Thank you as well. I fit into the majority. I seem to fall into the majority in almost every category, yet I am so concerned about those that don't. We celebrate CHRISTMAS, MOTHERS DAY and all the rest of the Majority days in at our house, but I feel the pain for so many that don't quite fit and yet have to endure my holidays when they do not apply to them. It would be like being a Christian living in IRAN. This is a nation of acceptance for all not just the majority. If you are truly an American you should be happy and respect the diversity of this great nation. Eliminating anyone because they are not in the Majority is not what this country stands for.