[billethkid]

Originally Posted by donb9006

It kills me how so many have such strong opinions about things they know nothing about...

They must be retired politicians from Washington.....eh?

btk

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Monkei

Your concerns over their plight in life is endearing. Was it there for all the other massacres that have come before it that we somehow found a way to sit on the sidelines for?

Oil is not the enemy but big oil business is. They make billions in profits, they pay nothing in taxes and even get money back from this country. We spill blood in foreign countries to ensure the safety of their employees and the protection of their equipment and property. Not to mention that the end of the day they are not even required to sell their gas to us. There is little if anything we can do now, that day has come and gone. We are left with nothing but to play along in their game. Drill baby drill.

I often wonder where people get this kind of information. I think it comes from the old adage that if you tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. The sad thing is that some people actually believe this kind of nonsense.

Here's a little something about oil companies and taxes.

In 2011 the three oil giants each paid more in income taxes than any other corporation in America. Not only do they pay the most money in taxes, but they also pay the highest rates.

"ExxonMobil in 2011 made $27.3 billion in cash payments for income taxes. Chevron paid $17 billion and ConocoPhillips $10.6 billion. And not only were these the highest amounts in absolute terms, when compared with the rest of the 25 most profitable U.S. companies (see our slideshow for the full rundown of who paid what), the trio also had the highest effective tax rates. Exxon’s tax rate was 42.9%, Chevron’s was 48.3% and Conoco’s was 41.5%. That’s even higher than the 35% U.S. federal statutory rate, which is already the highest tax rate among developed nations."

Do you think that high fuel rates are good for the American public? Do you think that they are good for the economy? What would you say if we could lower gasoline and fuel oil prices by 40%. Do you realize what that would do to our economy? Do you understand that that would lower the prices of every product sold in this country? How good would that be for the poor, the homeless and the hungry?

The truth is that the government is making more from oil than all of the oil companies combined.

Read the whole story here:

Which Companies Pay The Most In Taxes? - Forbes

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I often wonder where people get this kind of information. I think it comes from the old adage that if you tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. The sad thing is that some people actually believe this kind of nonsense.

Here's a little something about oil companies and taxes.

In 2011 the three oil giants each paid more in income taxes than any other corporation in America. Not only do they pay the most money in taxes, but they also pay the highest rates.


Do you think that high fuel rates are good for the American public? Do you think that they are good for the economy? What would you say if we could lower gasoline and fuel oil prices by 40%. Do you realize what that would do to our economy? Do you understand that that would lower the prices of every product sold in this country? How good would that be for the poor, the homeless and the hungry?

The truth is that the government is making more from oil than all of the oil companies combined.

Read the whole story here:

Which Companies Pay The Most In Taxes? - Forbes

Like I said, drill baby drill.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Monkei

Like I said, drill baby drill.

Not sure I get your point. I was addressing the fact that you claimed that the oil companies pay no taxes. It's simply not true.

[donb9006]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Not sure I get your point. I was addressing the fact that you claimed that the oil companies pay no taxes. It's simply not true.

Corporations don't "pay taxes", you do, I do, when we buy their product/service. It all gets passed to the consumer... Keep crying that corporations don't pay enough taxes and when it's raised, so does your bill.

The problem is government doing too much, spending too much.

[Moderator]

Please return to topic of Syria actions.

Topic is not oil companies and Taxes.

[Golfingnut]

If as President Obama says, that the world drew the red line, then the world should act together to take action. America must not act against the UN on this by going alone.

[Bucco]

Bottom line for me and always has been...

The administration has placed this country in a really bad spot by ignoring and lack of any action BUT We need to back the President on this to maintain some standing in the world.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by donb9006

Corporations don't "pay taxes", you do, I do, when we buy their product/service. It all gets passed to the consumer... Keep crying that corporations don't pay enough taxes and when it's raised, so does your bill.

The problem is government doing too much, spending too much.

Exactly

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by donb9006

Corporations don't "pay taxes", you do, I do, when we buy their product/service. It all gets passed to the consumer... Keep crying that corporations don't pay enough taxes and when it's raised, so does your bill.

The problem is government doing too much, spending too much.

This is a classic example of how corporations don't pay taxes through loopholes and thebtriefvabtrue method of passing it on to the consumer. I find it hard to believe that people cannot see this..

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by Monkei

This is a classic example of how corporations don't pay taxes through loopholes and thebtriefvabtrue method of passing it on to the consumer. I find it hard to believe that people cannot see this..

How did we get back on taxes

[billethkid]

I have not heard anything from Obama that indicates there is any more depth to "his" plan than any he has proposed in the past with no action, no results.
I am unsold by the many times the actions of this administration do not line up with the words.

There is absolutely no assurance the end result of the so called measured, limited, response will not erupt into a much worse situation that will drag us into something unplanned and definitely unprepared.

There is nothing but political following being promoted by the daily circus of Kerry and Hagel and a General who has no choice but to nod when beckoned!!
They are glossing over the issue of just who it is constitutes the rebel forces.

The latest measures or 60 days plus 30 more if needed, no boots on the ground, etc is so very amateurish. Since when is there any reality in the weeks longs announcement of yup we are gonna do it....we'll let you know when we are coming. Then calling out 60 or 70 missles and we are done. Done with what? Just exactly what constitutes the mission and it's objectives? I appreciate the fact there is info we will never see as referred to by Kerry about the "closed sessions".

Can you imagine what Assaad and his regime are doing in preparation for the announced attack? What would you be doing if you knew you were going to be attacked and what you were going to be attacked with.

What ever happened to the critical element of surprise in a military operation?

We have turned war both the offense and defensive aspects into a politically driven, need for consensus decision making scenario. Two aspects that will only lead to failure.......politically driven and need for consensus. There is room for neither in a real war.

So I do not trust what is being presented. I happen to be a commitment/results person and expect one to do what they say they will do, when they said it would be done and who is responsible. I have no time or respect for people who use words instead of deeds. This administration has earned my distrust.

Based on the past experience with the current administration and the lack of openness about what it is they expect to do and the results obtained.....I remain adamantly opposed to any response in Syria. I do not want to see this country invest it's assets in a politically motivated "want". Only to listen, once again, to those in charge, spew whose fault it was if things do not go well.

NO THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

btk

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Finally maybe some good news..


"NOVO-OGARYOVO, RUSSIA President Vladimir Putin warned the West against taking one-sided action in Syria but also said Russia "doesn't exclude" supporting a U.N. resolution on punitive military strikes if it is proven that Damascus used poison gas on its own people."


Putin: Russia might let U.N. OK strike against Syria - CBS News

Looks as if I spoke too soon...

"Things aren't exactly warming up between the Obama administration and Vladimir Putin, even as President Obama arrives in St. Petersburg for the G-20 summit. Putin called Obama Secretary of State John Kerry a liar over Kerry's testimony this week before Congress.

The apparent question is al Qaeda influence on the Syrian rebels, an issue Kerry has downplayed. Speaking to his human rights council on Wednesday, Putin said: "This was very unpleasant and surprising for me. We talk to them (the Americans) and we assume they are decent people, but he is lying and he knows that he is lying. This is sad."



Putin calls Kerry a liar

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I have not heard anything from Obama that indicates there is any more depth to "his" plan than any he has proposed in the past with no action, no results.
I am unsold by the many times the actions of this administration do not line up with the words.

There is absolutely no assurance the end result of the so called measured, limited, response will not erupt into a much worse situation that will drag us into something unplanned and definitely unprepared.

There is nothing but political following being promoted by the daily circus of Kerry and Hagel and a General who has no choice but to nod when beckoned!!
They are glossing over the issue of just who it is constitutes the rebel forces.

The latest measures or 60 days plus 30 more if needed, no boots on the ground, etc is so very amateurish. Since when is there any reality in the weeks longs announcement of yup we are gonna do it....we'll let you know when we are coming. Then calling out 60 or 70 missles and we are done. Done with what? Just exactly what constitutes the mission and it's objectives? I appreciate the fact there is info we will never see as referred to by Kerry about the "closed sessions".

Can you imagine what Assaad and his regime are doing in preparation for the announced attack? What would you be doing if you knew you were going to be attacked and what you were going to be attacked with.

What ever happened to the critical element of surprise in a military operation?

We have turned war both the offense and defensive aspects into a politically driven, need for consensus decision making scenario. Two aspects that will only lead to failure.......politically driven and need for consensus. There is room for neither in a real war.

So I do not trust what is being presented. I happen to be a commitment/results person and expect one to do what they say they will do, when they said it would be done and who is responsible. I have no time or respect for people who use words instead of deeds. This administration has earned my distrust.

Based on the past experience with the current administration and the lack of openness about what it is they expect to do and the results obtained.....I remain adamantly opposed to any response in Syria. I do not want to see this country invest it's assets in a politically motivated "want". Only to listen, once again, to those in charge, spew whose fault it was if things do not go well.

NO THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

btk

I can't say I disagree with much of what you say, and in fact check the link I attached to the post right before this regarding the rebels. I totally agree with you...only place we differ is that while all this is true, we do not need the world looking at us puzzled and thinking weak anymore than they already do.

A limited strike to save some face and get out. As always (same with the affordable care) policies made in back rooms with no consultation and emphasis on the political aspects cause everyone to scurry and save face for the country.

[PennBF]

During WWII I was about 11 years old and our father was a Chaplin. I can remember being in Arlington Cemetery and watching as he conducted combined ceremonies as he buried 10-12 servicemen at the same time and their family's sitting by the graves, I remember going on visits to the Military Hospitals and seeing the servicemen with legs missing, some with bones covered in "mesh" awaiting amputation, or living at an R&R location for returning wounded servicemen and playing ping pong with them as they struggled to play. This is what awaits the ones who are being considered to go to war based on a tremendous amount of poor intelligence, no absolute identified mission. This is what they are being asked to give their life up for. This is not playing soldier in the back yard as a kid, this is getting serious wounds and getting actually killed. I sure as heck would not want my son or daughter giving their life up for the stupid statement regarding a "Red Line"
Think it over before saying you would be willing to see that 18 or 19 year old kid being shot and killed for what they are talking about. It is sad so many don't think of the kid falling in the field after being shot or the pilot being taken prisoner and being tortured. It is not abstract it is real.